[Spaz Man]

Immigration was never the actual problem, the welfare state is.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

People against immigration are frankly ignorant, priveliged *****. Just because you happen to have been born in a country shouldn't give you a birthright of a decent lifestyle, and nor should being born elsewhere condemn you to a short life of poverty. The sooner we achieve global unification the sooner we can get rid of this stupid stigmatic approach to immigration.

[Sharpshooter]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
The sooner we achieve global unification the sooner we can get rid of this stupid stigmatic approach to immigration.

100% agree.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
Immigration was never the actual problem, the welfare state is.

In that it doesn't offer enough support for the unfortunate families who end up requiring its help? I agree totally.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
In that it doesn't offer enough support for the unfortunate families who end up requiring its help? I agree totally.

I mean in terms of the magnets that the welfare state offers to immigrants who want to come here to take benefits. If the welfare state was cut back, any immigrants who did come here would all benefit society and boost our economy as the majority of immigrants already do of course.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
I mean in terms of the magnets that the welfare state offers to immigrants who want to come here to take benefits. If the welfare state was cut back, any immigrants who did come here would all benefit society and boost our economy as the majority of immigrants already do of course.

Why are we considering our economy ahead of the living rights of immigrants? They have exactly equal rights to us. Also, if we cut back on the welfare state it would undoubtedly have severe repercussions for the unfortunate and genuinely ill - which is the most part of those who use the welfare state.

Also, your argument seems to be based on the myth that illegal immigrants claim benefits. They can't, and thus don't. Legal immigrants can given certain conditions, but our current overly rigorous screening for new immigrants means that any immigrant who is legal is more highly skilled than 90% of our resident population.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Why are we considering our economy ahead of the living rights of immigrants? They have exactly equal rights to us. Also, if we cut back on the welfare state it would undoubtedly have severe repercussions for the unfortunate and genuinely ill - which is the most part of those who use the welfare state.

Also, your argument seems to be based on the myth that illegal immigrants claim benefits. They can't, and thus don't. Legal immigrants can given certain conditions, but our current overly rigorous screening for new immigrants means that any immigrant who is legal is more highly skilled than 90% of our resident population.

You clearly didn't read the bit where I said "benefit society and boost our economy as the majority of immigrants already do of course.".

To your second point. Good. We need very highly skilled immigrants. Steve Job's father was Syrian. Mark Zuckerberg's family were from Eastern Europe. We need skilled immigrants to help us producea skill-based knowledge economy which can benefit us in the long-run.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
You clearly didn't read the bit where I said "benefit society and boost our economy as the majority of immigrants already do of course.".

To your second point. Good. We need very highly skilled immigrants. Steve Job's father was Syrian. Mark Zuckerberg's family were from Eastern Europe. We need skilled immigrants to help us producea skill-based knowledge economy which can benefit us in the long-run.

My point wasn't that, but that these 'immigrants who come here to take benefits' don't exist. Immigrants may come here, hearing the streets are paved with gold, and then realise that it's not the utopia they thought and end up unemployed. If an immigrant is currently able to gain benefits here they will have a job when they get here so won't claim benefits.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
My point wasn't that, but that these 'immigrants who come here to take benefits' don't exist. Immigrants may come here, hearing the streets are paved with gold, and then realise that it's not the utopia they thought and end up unemployed. If an immigrant is currently able to gain benefits here they will have a job when they get here so won't claim benefits.

They do exist. I have plenty of friends who's parents came to this country for the benefits. Don't act as though the problem doesn't exist. I am an ethnic minority and as such I am not restricted by political correctness on this issue.

[Ysolt]

Definitely not... Theres no point to limit immigration, it wouldnt bring more jobs and itd be bad for our economy and labour markets if anything. Also culturally divisive. We are a multicultural Britain.

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
They do exist. I have plenty of friends who's parents came to this country for the benefits. Don't act as though the problem doesn't exist. I am an ethnic minority and as such I am not restricted by political correctness on this issue.

I'm acting as though the problem doesn't exist because I don't believe it does. Are you sure that was their motive - i.e. have they explicitly said so - or are you jumping to conclusions?

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
I'm acting as though the problem doesn't exist because I don't believe it does. Are you sure that was their motive - i.e. have they explicitly said so - or are you jumping to conclusions?

That's exactly what they said. You are acting as though it doesn't exist.

[Silver Aurora]

There already is a limit, we just don't keep to it.

[J.Nalbandian14]

Yes I strongly agree


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[BACTSR2]

(Original post by Sharpshooter)
Nope the world is becoming mixed race, let it.

I like the aspect of social engineering to immigration. I think its better for humanity if we all became "coffee coloured" or to that effect within a certain amount of time. It makes it better for humanity to live together.

Lots of immigrants integrate properly and we have plenty of space still.

You sound like a real simpleton. I bet you are fine with socially conservative attitudes as long as they come from brown people too. The European project: a reaction to the horrors of WWII that ultimately relies on non functioning democracy to try and engineer a different set of identities on a continent's people but fails to solve any of the problems as actual absolutes (hatred, intolerance, prejudice, greed, hunger for power, Religion etc). So a pointless exercise...

[TheDefiniteArticle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
That's exactly what they said. You are acting as though it doesn't exist.

Then how did they get into the country? Seems like a hard way to earn an 'easy' 'living'.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Then how did they get into the country? Seems like a hard way to earn an 'easy' 'living'.

Other things factored into it of course such as the type of country the UK is i.e respectable and open.

[Harry Callahan]

(Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
Then how did they get into the country? Seems like a hard way to earn an 'easy' 'living'.

The UK's a soft touch and has been for too long. These immigrants know they can milk the system, and they do.

[Xarren]

(Original post by ZoominglyFree)
Surely now we have such a low employment rate, even for the really educated,the attraction to come here will slowly decrease anyway? Im not saying thats a fact or anything...just a thought?!

Low employment rate? Lol. Just lol

[.eXe]

(Original post by BACTSR2)
You sound like a real simpleton. I bet you are fine with socially conservative attitudes as long as they come from brown people too. The European project: a reaction to the horrors of WWII that ultimately relies on non functioning democracy to try and engineer a different set of identities on a continent's people but fails to solve any of the problems as actual absolutes (hatred, intolerance, prejudice, greed, hunger for power, Religion etc). So a pointless exercise...

Im sorry but what the hell are you talking about?

Are you purposefully being vague to create the illusion of intellectual?

Your response had nothing to do with the post you quoted.


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