[Sternumator]

I don't fully understand the economics so please tell me if I am wrong. There is a limited supply of land and so by adding more people must cause diminishing returns. I know the theory was made for agriculture but it must still apply today since you need land to produce anything so we should limit immigration to stop incomes falling. People talk about skill shortages but it seems really short sighted because immigration will increase the population of the UK and reduce incomes forever yet in one generation's time we will have lost all the benefits of that and will be looking for more immigrants to fill gaps. What we should be doing is making sure we don't have the skills shortages in the first place.

[Magenta96]

I think immigration should be limited now as the recession is on and there are too few jobs around. If immigration increases then the situation will only worsen.

[A Mysterious Lord]

Skilled immigration should be on an as-needed basis i.e. if we need X number of migrants, let in X number of migrants. Hardly rocket science.

[.eXe]

(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
Skilled immigration should be on an as-needed basis i.e. if we need X number of migrants, let in X number of migrants. Hardly rocket science.

That doesn't make any sense.

it's not like the government gets an official tally every year telling them how many of each migrant they need...

uh 500 doctors please
200 teachers please
1500 taxi drivers please

also, how would they determine how many migrants they actually need...?

that's a pretty bad suggestion.

[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by .eXe)
That doesn't make any sense.

it's not like the government gets an official tally every year telling them how many of each migrant they need...

uh 500 doctors please
200 teachers please
1500 taxi drivers please

also, how would they determine how many migrants they actually need...?

that's a pretty bad suggestion.

It's how the system works in Australia, there's no quota by profession and no speculative immigration, they don't allow hundreds in in case a position is available, they let them in if a position is available.

[SilverSurfer22]

YES, it is destroying our country, immigrants are nothing but trouble for our country, the only people they actually benefit are employers in the form of cheap labour, the average person does not benefit from immigration

[fastswift]

YES, coming from a non-white person.

I know many people personally who come here and live on benefits, have more children ==> get more benefits. One of my classmates is the first person to go to university in his whole extended family. He told me that they are trying to get him to marry someone of their choice, have children, then get a council house. It is what his brother and cousins do. They live on benefits.
I really sympathise him because his family wants to arrange marriage for him with a relative in India to maintain the "unity" of the whole family, and to bring them to here.
(I lost two friends from school to forced marriage. They disappeared from the world. Now, at the age of 21, one of them is a mother of two.)

Another friend's cousin, he came here on a student visa, he brought his wife here, have two children, work more than the hours allowed. His student visa is like a 'work permit' for manual labour. After years, the agency finally caught him but they cannot do anything about it, because they use "human right" as a defence - their children are in school.

Immigrants like them are making the genuine highly skilled immigrants look bad. Many of them are professionals such as doctors and professors.

I think they should not limit immigration on race / religion / country of origin, they should do it on the basis of their skills, education, how well they are going to fit in and what potential benefits they can bring to this country.

[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by fastswift)
YES, coming from a non-white person.

Skin colour is irrelevant, it's about numbers, not race.

[Ano1]

(Original post by fastswift)
YES, coming from a non-white person.

I know many people personally who come here and live on benefits, have more children ==> get more benefits. One of my classmates is the first person to go to university in his whole extended family. He told me that they are trying to get him to marry someone of their choice, have children, then get a council house. It is what his brother and cousins do. They live on benefits.
I really sympathise him because his family wants to arrange marriage for him with a relative in India to maintain the "unity" of the whole family, and to bring them to here.
(I lost two friends from school to forced marriage. They disappeared from the world. Now, at the age of 21, one of them is a mother of two.)

Another friend's cousin, he came here on a student visa, he brought his wife here, have two children, work more than the hours allowed. His student visa is like a 'work permit' for manual labour. After years, the agency finally caught him but they cannot do anything about it, because they use "human right" as a defence - their children are in school.

Immigrants like them are making the genuine highly skilled immigrants look bad. Many of them are professionals such as doctors and professors.

I think they should not limit immigration on race / religion / country of origin, they should do it on the basis of their skills, education, how well they are going to fit in and what potential benefits they can bring to this country

What you basically mean is that if a White person would have said the unbolded part, they would be classed as racist because they want to limit immigration. Even if you did mentioned the basis of skills and not race/ethnicity at the end.

Your colour in this debate is irrelevant. If you have a point then make it. But I know exactly what your game is when you first stated - 'this is coming from a non white' racist.

[fastswift]

(Original post by Ano1)
What you basically mean is that if a White person would have said the unbolded part, they would be classed as racist because they want to limit immigration. Even if you did mentioned the basis of skills and not race/ethnicity at the end.

Your colour in this debate is irrelevant. If you have a point then make it. But I know exactly what your game is when you first stated - 'this is coming from a non white' racist.

Many posts in the first page relate it to race. I am trying to say that it is irrelevant to race. Can't you read? My point is: only let those who have something to give than receive into the country.

[kbilly]

(Original post by Barua-Darfur)
But doesn't Britian owe it I help these people who cannot afford a life due to their governments. Africans have contributed to the economy and raised social standing in terms of race and sexuality. Without immigration britain would be a third world country.

So then why wasn't it a third world country 60 years ago when there were more or less no immigrants here at all?

[BACTSR2]

(Original post by .eXe)
Im sorry but what the hell are you talking about?

Are you purposefully being vague to create the illusion of intellectual?

Your response had nothing to do with the post you quoted.


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It did actually. I don't know how to make it more clear though. Social engineering is clearly related to what I was talking about. Identity conflicts will exist in the foreseeable future regardless of the ethnic make up of the UK and plenty of such conflicts currently exist in countries with diverse populations.

[Freak Out]

Yes, and not due to race reasons, but the fact we're struggling as it is with housing people who already live here.

[Richiboi]

people should be granted leave to stay if there is work that a citizen cannot do or cannot be trained reasonably soon to do.

Immigration is a negative side-effect of certain businesses reluctance to train their workers and pay rubbish wages- which are subsidised by the government in the form of benefits.

And thats without considering food and housing too. Theres no point in the country becoming more crowded for the sake of it.

[dattru]

Why do people have to flee from their own countries?

Why are we better off than many other countries in the world?

These are the questions we shall be asking instead of "Shall we limit it or not?"

It is more complex than that and the best way is to target the roots of the issue.

People will always immigrate in some level but trust me, if we solve the world issues the immigration level will not be extreme.

[Harry Callahan]

(Original post by dattru)
Why do people have to flee from their own countries?

Why are we better off than many other countries in the world?

These are the questions we shall be asking instead of "Shall we limit it or not?"

It is more complex than that and the best way is to target the roots of the issue.

People will always immigrate in some level but trust me, if we solve the world issues the immigration level will not be extreme.




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World issues will never be fully solved - there will always be those better off, and those worse off.

[dattru]

(Original post by Harry Callahan)
World issues will never be fully solved - there will always be those better off, and those worse off.

May be, but we could decrease the extreme difference between the richest and the poorest countries in the world.

So we could limit such immigration where people are forced to flee due to the fatal situations they can encounter.

[Harry Callahan]

(Original post by dattru)
May be, but we could decrease the extreme difference between the richest and the poorest countries in the world.

So we could limit such immigration where people are forced to flee due to the fatal situations they can encounter.

They're not forced to flee to Britain, though, are they?

[internetguru]

(Original post by dattru)
Why do people have to flee from their own countries?

Why are we better off than many other countries in the world?

These are the questions we shall be asking instead of "Shall we limit it or not?"

It is more complex than that and the best way is to target the roots of the issue.

People will always immigrate in some level but trust me, if we solve the world issues the immigration level will not be extreme.

We are better off because we made the most of our resources when we had them. These poor countries they either sell them to foreign companies at bad prices, don't have any or can't be bothered to do anything with them.

[dattru]

(Original post by Harry Callahan)
They're not forced to flee to Britain, though, are they?

No, there are various of places for new opportunities. Britain is one of the options for new opportunities.

Though I must say that other countries must step up and not only let the UK and some other countries in the world take in the big number of immigrants fleeing from various catastrophes..