[Bubbles~]

(Original post by Loucleaves123)
what theory?

In relation to this thread

[soempty]

(Original post by Loucleaves123)
That is pretty insulting to the working classes,who after all are the REAL wealth creators ,are you actually saying that working class people do not go to university,have aspirations,and all take drugs,what planet are you living on?
I grew up in a council estate in the 50's in the East end of London,most of our community of my age are now doctors,lawyers,judges, professionals or have businesses,and the people i meet in my job are much the same in the East End
You are taking a pretty stereo typical newspaper view of hard working people

Thats not what i meant. The question was how to/is it possible to become working class, if you are an upper class, or something like that. I gave a plan for that, surely wasting your money on drugs, not getting education and misinvesting will make the richest person poor and will force him to take up a job which defines working class people .

Nothing about steriotipical view of working class there, nor culture and habits nor intelligence.

[dr-jimmy]

(Original post by screenager2004)
I don't think it's possible to change the class you were born in.

A working class person might do well in life and become rich, but they will always be culturally working class. Their kids will be middle class though because the kids grew up in an affluent, professional household.


Class is about more than just what your income is or how wealthy you are - it's your entire culture, how you use your language, your life perspective, how you conduct your social circles, your perspective on money and work, where your loyalties and values are. Your class comes from your childhood and your background, you can't change it, it's ingrained in your psychology learned from infanthood.

'how you use your language, your life perspective, how you conduct your social circles, your perspective on money and work, where your loyalties and values are', but this can change over time, can't it? I agree that's what determines your social class, but if you were working class and worked hard, ending up in a high-paying higher class job, wouldn't you also be around higher class people, and be influenced by them? You probably wouldn't ever lose those things completely, but they could change a lot?

[emilie18]

Social class is ususally decided through parents' occupations. No matter how socially mobile you have been , if you grew up in a working class family then you are essentially working class.

SoAnd that ^ works both ways. You could end up living in a tiny flat on benefits, but if your parents were lawyers then you are still technically middle class, just living a more working class life.

[YahRah]

Class and wealth are two VERY different things. You can be a multi-millionaire and still be 'working class' in terms of your social attitude. Similarly, you can be an aristocrat and be asset rich but cash poor (Earl of Cardigan for example). So I think social mobility in terms of wealth is of course possible, but one can never really change their social class.

[Akbar2k7]

Watch 2 broke girls hehe its funny and it covers your question.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by Loucleaves123)
what theory?

As in it's easier said than done.

[screenager2004]

(Original post by Politricks)
Is it possible to change your class if you change everything about yourself, from your use of language to who you associate yourself with?

You can't change everything about yourself. Your personality is ingrained in you from the moment you're born. You're not even aware of it, you can't change it.

[screenager2004]

(Original post by dr-jimmy)
'how you use your language, your life perspective, how you conduct your social circles, your perspective on money and work, where your loyalties and values are', but this can change over time, can't it? I agree that's what determines your social class, but if you were working class and worked hard, ending up in a high-paying higher class job, wouldn't you also be around higher class people, and be influenced by them? You probably wouldn't ever lose those things completely, but they could change a lot?

I'm not denying that they could change to some degree. But I just don't think it's escapable. Think about it in terms of psychology, people have tendencies and traits and personality biases that they go to see a psychiatrist for, the psychiatrist can give you coping mechanisms and change your way of thinking to a certain extent that you will be able to cope with it, but you can't just change the way your brain works. It's how you've been raised from an early age.

You might do well in life and get a high paid job, but because of the classed personality you already possess, you will interpret those experiences differently to someone from a middle class background who does well in life and gets a high paid job.

[Mendeleev's Table]

(Original post by screenager2004)
You can't change everything about yourself. Your personality is ingrained in you from the moment you're born. You're not even aware of it, you can't change it.

Being working-class is not biological.

[screenager2004]

(Original post by Mendeleev's Table)
Being working-class is not biological.

I never implied it was.

[Mendeleev's Table]

(Original post by screenager2004)
I never implied it was.

So what does this 'personality' generally define?

[barnetlad]

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[screenager2004]

(Original post by Mendeleev's Table)
So what does this 'personality' generally define?

Your psychological constitution, which is largely influenced by the environment you were raised in.