[Planar]

(Original post by Fusion)
Kay Burley to kids: "You two must be brother and sister"

Kid: "We're brothers".

If you want classic Kay Burley, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDBRjKva74

[Chad_Bronson]

To give some credit though, I think the BBC was broadcasting under enormous difficulty during the rain - My goodness, it was pouring down! I'm surprised they didn't cease airing actually, it seemed to have wetted their equipment...

[Rascacielos]

It wasn't so much the BBC's coverage, but more the realisation that, whilst the English know how to celebrate something well, we have a habit of taking just a little bit too long to do it.

5 hours of boats was probably too much for even the keenest boat-lover... Even the Queen looked a bit cheesed-off after 3 or so hours.

[multiplexing-gamer]

It was like The One show, dragging for 5 hours.

[FXX]

(Original post by Drewski)
OP, find the button shown here. Attachment 153917


Press.



Problem solved.

Yeah, just wait til the next Diamond Jubilee pageant. Shouldn't have to wait too long and they should have learned their lessons by then.

[kingsholmmad]

(Original post by Fusion)
They should've used veteran/politcial commentators like Dimbleby instead of the likes of Aneeka Rice showcasing rain soaked artwork and Angellica from CBeebies finding babies cute. However I thought the pageant was pretty boring and repetitive regardless of the television channel.

Dimbleby would have done a much better job. Raymond Baxter would have been ideal but that would have proved a little difficult, I feel. However, with a sensible amount of research and a little bit of imagination in the production, the pageant would have been vastly more interesting.

(Original post by Drewski)
OP, find the button shown here. Attachment 153917


Press.



Problem solved.

Well, no, problem not solved because I actually wanted to watch it. I know that makes me a boring old fart in your eyes. I know I don't give a monkey's about that. What does matter to me is the fact that the BBC get a licence fee from the vast majority of us on the strict understanding that they provide unbiased, accurate, detailed coverage of events like we had yesterday. Yesterday they provided celebrity drivel. And they would have provided that whether my tv was on or off

(Original post by rcummins1)
If you care so much, maybe you should have gone down n watched it. or you could've watched in on sky. either way shut up and spend your efforts worrying about something more important to society.

Yeah, I know, I know, there are starving kids in Africa and people being killed in Syria. I totally agree that it is all a matter of perspective. That doesn't give the BBC the right to spend my licence fee on giving Matt Baker shirts that don't fit.

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
To give some credit though, I think the BBC was broadcasting under enormous difficulty during the rain - My goodness, it was pouring down! I'm surprised they didn't cease airing actually, it seemed to have wetted their equipment...

Certainly the conditions were pretty filthy but, having had two years to prepare for the event with more resources than any other broadcaster, they should have factored in the possibility of British weather. And that should have included some pre-recorded bits about some of the boats / musicians.

[Drewski]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
Well, no, problem not solved because I actually wanted to watch it. I know that makes me a boring old fart in your eyes. I know I don't give a monkey's about that. What does matter to me is the fact that the BBC get a licence fee from the vast majority of us on the strict understanding that they provide unbiased, accurate, detailed coverage of events like we had yesterday. Yesterday they provided celebrity drivel. And they would have provided that whether my tv was on or off

OK, my answer was flippant and designed to be humourous, not to be taken seriously by the anti-humour brigade.
I didn't watch all the coverage, but that's only because I was at work. Are you a boring old fart? Only in that you're complaining so vociferously. Maybe I have an unfair bias in knowing a bit about how logistically nightmarish these activities are.

You want the real answer?

The BBC has an obligation to show things of public interest. That means events like this have to presented in a way that makes them enjoyable for the majority of viewers. Complain all you want, but the majority of the British viewing population are simpering, small-minded, celebrity obsessed simpletons who need things explained in very simple terms of as few syllables as possible. This doesn't match your requirements. Not a lot the Beeb can do about that, they cater to tha majority, some people are always going to be left out.
Second. It's live tv. Things don't go flawlessly ever. No matter how much practise, how much rehearsal or experience that may have built up these will never be without mistakes. That's half the fun, frankly.
Third. It's a known issue that the presenters are reading out from prepared scripts. "x is here from soandso, they did blah and are represnting whatshisname.." They've been told when they expect x to be on screen, but don't know. So they say it anyway and hope the director can find the right picture at the right time. More often than not, they can't. The TV director has a fair few feeds coming in to pick between, they're not always going to have the right shot.

Finally, to your bit about pre-recorded segments, the Beeb got into a lot of [unjustified, imo] trouble when it did just that in other shows, why would it freely court negative press again just as a contingency?

Frankly, for all the faults the Beeb throws up at events like this, I'd far rather they be in charge than ITV who would no doubt cut to an ad just when things started happening.

[Publius]

I want my licence fee back because i don't think a nationally sponsored company should be encouraging elitism in this way.

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
Certainly the conditions were pretty filthy but, having had two years to prepare for the event with more resources than any other broadcaster, they should have factored in the possibility of British weather. And that should have included some pre-recorded bits about some of the boats / musicians.

Well, yes and no in my opinion. You can only prepare for a certain amount of rain during a live event - and ideally recording equipment shouldn't be used during the rain. (Under studio conditions needless to say this wouldn't happen )

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by Drewski)
OK, my answer was flippant and designed to be humourous, not to be taken seriously by the anti-humour brigade.
I didn't watch all the coverage, but that's only because I was at work. Are you a boring old fart? Only in that you're complaining so vociferously. Maybe I have an unfair bias in knowing a bit about how logistically nightmarish these activities are.

You want the real answer?

The BBC has an obligation to show things of public interest. That means events like this have to presented in a way that makes them enjoyable for the majority of viewers. Complain all you want, but the majority of the British viewing population are simpering, small-minded, celebrity obsessed simpletons who need things explained in very simple terms of as few syllables as possible. This doesn't match your requirements. Not a lot the Beeb can do about that, they cater to tha majority, some people are always going to be left out.
Second. It's live tv. Things don't go flawlessly ever. No matter how much practise, how much rehearsal or experience that may have built up these will never be without mistakes. That's half the fun, frankly.
Third. It's a known issue that the presenters are reading out from prepared scripts. "x is here from soandso, they did blah and are represnting whatshisname.." They've been told when they expect x to be on screen, but don't know. So they say it anyway and hope the director can find the right picture at the right time. More often than not, they can't. The TV director has a fair few feeds coming in to pick between, they're not always going to have the right shot.

Finally, to your bit about pre-recorded segments, the Beeb got into a lot of [unjustified, imo] trouble when it did just that in other shows, why would it freely court negative press again just as a contingency?

Frankly, for all the faults the Beeb throws up at events like this, I'd far rather they be in charge than ITV who would no doubt cut to an ad just when things started happening.

Don't even get me started on MTV and Live 8. Cutting to an ad break during Pink Floyd's set, probably the only decent band of the night?

MTV should be hung, drawn and quartered for doing that. Whatever obligations of needing to show an ad certain times, you do not interrupt the 'Floyd!

[Lovefoxxx_93]

I was slightly annoyed too. Clare Balding, the boats are trying to drown you out with their horns on purpose...shut up!

I think the only presenters who didn't annoy the hell out of me were Sandi Toksvig and the others on that boat.

[kingsholmmad]

(Original post by Drewski)
OK, my answer was flippant and designed to be humourous, not to be taken seriously by the anti-humour brigade.
I didn't watch all the coverage, but that's only because I was at work. Are you a boring old fart? Only in that you're complaining so vociferously. Maybe I have an unfair bias in knowing a bit about how logistically nightmarish these activities are.

You want the real answer?

The BBC has an obligation to show things of public interest. That means events like this have to presented in a way that makes them enjoyable for the majority of viewers. Complain all you want, but the majority of the British viewing population are simpering, small-minded, celebrity obsessed simpletons who need things explained in very simple terms of as few syllables as possible. This doesn't match your requirements. Not a lot the Beeb can do about that, they cater to tha majority, some people are always going to be left out.

Don't tell me, let me guess. You're studying either sociology or media science. Good grief. Anyway, I don't dispute that the BBC is aiming a lot lower (intellectually) than it used to. We could argue endlessly about the extent to which this is a result of the destruction various governments have wreaked on our education system. I doubt that that would solve anything, however. My point was not that the Beeb was aiming too low but that (through lack of knowledge, preparation, planning and imagination) they weren't aiming at all.

Second. It's live tv. Things don't go flawlessly ever. No matter how much practise, how much rehearsal or experience that may have built up these will never be without mistakes. That's half the fun, frankly.

Totally agree. The Polish / Ukrainian directors will have things go wrong at the Euros; the Azerbaijani directors had stuff go wrong at Eurovision; they all deal with it. That's not my point. I don't have a problem with things not going to plan; what I object to is the Beeb turning up to an event of that magnitude apparently without a plan.

Third. It's a known issue that the presenters are reading out from prepared scripts. "x is here from soandso, they did blah and are represnting whatshisname.." They've been told when they expect x to be on screen, but don't know. So they say it anyway and hope the director can find the right picture at the right time. More often than not, they can't. The TV director has a fair few feeds coming in to pick between, they're not always going to have the right shot.

As I implied above, I'm not criticising the director for getting his feeds mixed. That happens. I'm criticising the producer for having so few feeds of the subject matter (ie the pageant) and so many of irrelevant, uninformed celebrities.

Finally, to your bit about pre-recorded segments, the Beeb got into a lot of [unjustified, imo] trouble when it did just that in other shows, why would it freely court negative press again just as a contingency?

Frankly, for all the faults the Beeb throws up at events like this, I'd far rather they be in charge than ITV who would no doubt cut to an ad just when things started happening.

They got into trouble because they were using the pre-recorded bits as time-fillers with little content. Yesterday, they could have used 30 second or 1 minute segments to tell us about the lifeboats / Dunkirk boats etc that would have been informative, interesting and justified. That wouldn't have got them into trouble.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have the Beeb as well. This one time, however, I feel that they didn't just get it wrong, they got it appallingly wrong while the whole world was watching.

[Lil Piranha]

For me, the highlight was the "boats don't drive like cars" line.

[kingsholmmad]

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
Well, yes and no in my opinion. You can only prepare for a certain amount of rain during a live event - and ideally recording equipment shouldn't be used during the rain. (Under studio conditions needless to say this wouldn't happen )

In truth, my complaint isn't really that things didn't go to plan; that always happens. My complaint is that if the Beeb had a plan at all yesterday, it was a crap one and totally inadequate for the scale and importance of the event.

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
Don't tell me, let me guess. You're studying either sociology or media science. Good grief. Anyway, I don't dispute that the BBC is aiming a lot lower (intellectually) than it used to. We could argue endlessly about the extent to which this is a result of the destruction various governments have wreaked on our education system. I doubt that that would solve anything, however. My point was not that the Beeb was aiming too low but that (through lack of knowledge, preparation, planning and imagination) they weren't aiming at all.

Totally agree. The Polish / Ukrainian directors will have things go wrong at the Euros; the Azerbaijani directors had stuff go wrong at Eurovision; they all deal with it. That's not my point. I don't have a problem with things not going to plan; what I object to is the Beeb turning up to an event of that magnitude apparently without a plan.

As I implied above, I'm not criticising the director for getting his feeds mixed. That happens. I'm criticising the producer for having so few feeds of the subject matter (ie the pageant) and so many of irrelevant, uninformed celebrities.

They got into trouble because they were using the pre-recorded bits as time-fillers with little content. Yesterday, they could have used 30 second or 1 minute segments to tell us about the lifeboats / Dunkirk boats etc that would have been informative, interesting and justified. That wouldn't have got them into trouble.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have the Beeb as well. This one time, however, I feel that they didn't just get it wrong, they got it appallingly wrong while the whole world was watching.

Just out of interest, what do you know about television production? Not having a go at you buddy, but you seem rather intelligent on this matter

[Drewski]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
Don't tell me, let me guess. You're studying either sociology or media science.

Graduate in Aero Engineering. Keep guessing sunshine

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
In truth, my complaint isn't really that things didn't go to plan; that always happens. My complaint is that if the Beeb had a plan at all yesterday, it was a crap one and totally inadequate for the scale and importance of the event.

In fairness though, what plan could you have put into place? I ask this because you have an event to cover with boats, musicians et al and cameras on each - So what plan is there to document what is ultimately a live event?

[kingsholmmad]

(Original post by Publius)
I want my licence fee back because i don't think a nationally sponsored company should be encouraging elitism in this way.

'ere, are you that bloke 'oo went swimming in the Boat Race? 'aven't learnt much 'ave yer?

[kingsholmmad]

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
Just out of interest, what do you know about television production? Not having a go at you buddy, but you seem rather intelligent on this matter

I shall take your remark at face value and tell you that, in all honesty, I know jack about tv production. Just what I've picked up in real life and watching far too much televised sport.

(Original post by Drewski)
Graduate in Aero Engineering. Keep guessing sunshine

Well, I could suggest that you are therefore involved in the production of the artistic interpretation, for the masses, of mankind's greatest dream, thereby proving myself right. But that would just be silly.

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
In fairness though, what plan could you have put into place? I ask this because you have an event to cover with boats, musicians et al and cameras on each - So what plan is there to document what is ultimately a live event?

Precisely. The pageant was about boats, music and the Queen; the Beeb's plan should have concentrated on boats, music and the Queen. It didn't. It concentrated on celebrities, babies and cake. If that's what I'd wanted, I'd have watched the Hairy Bikers Go Fishing. Or summat.

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
I shall take your remark at face value and tell you that, in all honesty, I know jack about tv production. Just what I've picked up in real life and watching far too much televised sport.

It's interesting that you say that, because I myself want to become a television producer / director, want to concentrate on live events

(Original post by kingsholmmad)
Precisely. The pageant was about boats, music and the Queen; the Beeb's plan should have concentrated on boats, music and the Queen. It didn't. It concentrated on celebrities, babies and cake. If that's what I'd wanted, I'd have watched the Hairy Bikers Go Fishing. Or summat.

Really? Interesting. I only caught the last ten minutes of the pagent (taped on Sky Plus) so I wouldn't be able to comment on that. Was it really THAT bad?