No, you cannot marry an Atheist or a Pagan or whatever. Only a Christian or Jew, and the reason is due to the similarities between the religions (abrahamic faiths), where your more likely to get along (due to common beliefs) rather than if you married a Atheist or a Pagan.
And no, you don't have to convert her. It would be good if she did convert (last thing you want is having to say goodbye at the crossroads), but it's not compulsory.
That would imply zina, and it isn't allowed. Outside marriage, unless for a good reason, you shouldn't interact with the opposite gender.
(Original post by tpxvs)
This saddens me. Why cant we all just marry whoever we want to? Should the religion you're "born" into stop you from being with who you want to? I'm not religious myself and i dont see why religion/race etc should matter - if i like someone, i like them. Simple. Also what about if you never got married but spent the rest of your life with them?
And race/nationality doesn't matter, these things aren't judged. Religion however is, and you need to understand that Muslims in general hold the afterlife to greater importance than the material world.
Last edited by Perseveranze; 05-06-2012 at 23:47.
If you take a purely literal interpretation of the Qur'an (whether you should do so is arguable, but anyway...) then on the basis of religion, a Muslim man or woman is only prohibited from marrying a person who is a Mushrik (which means "polytheist", or more specifically one who commits the sin of Shirk). This is based on the following verse in the Qur'an:
I don't know of any other verse which explicitly prohibits a Muslim from marrying anyone else due to their religious beliefs, or lack of religious beliefs - though I'm happy to be corrected on this.
(Original post by Qur'an 2:221)
And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember.
Last edited by tazarooni89; 05-06-2012 at 23:50.
I think you've misunderstood what I said. I know that this verse says Muslim men can marry Jews and Christians.
(Original post by Perseveranze)
It's here -
“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends” [al-Maa'idah 5:4]
And the commentry;
Imam al-Tabari said in his commentary on this verse:
“chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture” means, free woman among those whom have been given the Scripture, namely the Jews and Christians who believe in what is in the Tawraat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel) from among the people who came before you, O believers in Muhammad, whether from among the Arabs or other people; you are permitted to marry them “when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage)” which means, if you give to those whom you marry of your (Muslims’) chaste women and their (Jews’ and Christians’) chaste women their mahrs or dowries.”
(Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 6/104)
I said that I don't know of any other verse which explicitly prohibits a Muslim from marrying anyone else doe to their religious beliefs - i.e. a verse which says "You can't" marry people who believe XYZ". The one you have provided is one which says "You can marry people who believe XYZ".
One has to remember that saying "You may marry people who believe XYZ" is not equivalent to saying "You may only marry people who believe XYZ".
Last edited by tazarooni89; 06-06-2012 at 00:41.
Because this is Zina (fornication). And if one was to draw up a ranking of sins, then Fornication would be pretty high up that list. You could reconcile the matter by;
(Original post by tpxvs)
What do you mean isnt allowed? What happens if a muslim does interact with the opposite gender? For example, they move in together and spend the rest of their lives with eachother - why/how is this wrong?
- Marrying them (provided they are jew/christian/Muslim), if not cut ties.
- Asking them to convert, if not then to cut ties.
This is probably why interaction between opposite genders should be kept to a minimum. It's to avoid some Hollywood scene that involves the person doing something as stupid as you describe.
Fornication leads to unplanned pregnancies, abortions, increased chance of disease transmission (based on partners), lack of commitment etc. It really is (imo) a negative aspect of any society.
Thankfully that's what it seems. Can read the following for reference;
(Original post by tpxvs)
Are young people in this day and age genuinely still so strongly religious?
Conflict, theology and history make Muslims more religious than others
British Muslims Hold onto Faith
And there's nothing wrong with following your religion, it just makes you less of a hypocrite.
I never said "don't interact" because sometimes it is a necessity. Talk business otherwise keep moving (instead of flirting, chit chat etc.), it's as simple as that. Drinking alcohol "even a little" is forbidden, so it makes no sense "just to try it".
(Original post by tpxvs)
and i mean without any of this coming from their parents/family. I can totally understand people wanting to stay chaste till they get married. But not being able to "interact" with the opposite sex? not being able to even try a bit of alcohol (im not a big drinker myself, just is there no curiosity?) Do young muslims in this country not take part in the "British youth culture" because of absolutely being against it and not wanting to or is it mainly pressure/values from family?
As for not taking part in "british youth culture" or "British culture", generally speaking we don' have a problem with it. However, a practicing Muslim probably won't see eye to eye in many of the things that are culturally promoted. Let us get on with our business and you can get on with yours.
And finally, i'd say around 7-14 there's parental pressure (in avoiding things that you shouldn't be doing). But from what I've noticed, once you hit 17/19+ your able to do a bit of independent thinking and this is the period where people become more religious (at least in the case of Muslims). And this is where the person would probably refuse to go with their immoral friends to a night of getting drunk, based on their own religious choice.
Hope you understand.
Lol, I'm sure some of them saw sense. Hardly any of these relationships (parents aside) survive due to the differences. If it doesn't hit them then, it hits them in the future (which I find it usually the case), so most probably end up thanking their parents.
(Original post by SquaredCircle)
I know of a lot of boys born into Muslim households who had awful awful break ups with the girls they loved because of Islamic parents. It makes me genuinely angry and I hope that Islam becomes watered down and sensible like christianity.
Last edited by Perseveranze; 06-06-2012 at 01:41.