[Polka Dot]

The real results of the arab spring.



http://www.meforum.org/3256/tunisia-...istian-convert

This is a Link to the article, the video of the beheading is also attatched to the article. The video is VERY GRAPHIC so those of you who can't bring yourselves to watch it the article describes the events of the video so there is no need to watch it.

[Above.The.Empyrean]

Wow, this is terrible :/

[B-Man.]

1) If this happened in Tunisia, then it wasn't mandated by the government as it would be a crime under their legal system. So it's laughable to suggest that this is 'the real result of the Arab spring.' Their political party: Ennahda, which is in coalition with a secularist party, maintains a secular democracy.

2) Maybe if you would have looked for a credible source on this, instead of blindly jumping at any material that fits your own narrative, you would have found out that this came from Tawfiq Okasha, a pro-Mubarak, anti-revolution TV host who has even said "I hold President Mubarak sacred." The man is a nut-job who even described the Egyptian revolution as a Masonic plot. The entire thing is propaganda aimed at scaring people into voting for the remnants of the old tyrannical regime.

[skardanelli]

B man, this horrible beheading is not the first commuted by islamists, it is not because it is a crime in Tunisia that the government is at the best weak facing islamists. I do not see many churches in islamic countries, it is forbidden to worship other god than Allah in Saudi Arabia. Concerning the source, it is on the Egyptian TV this footage has been aired : it is not Mubarak Egypt as far as I know. In fact I think your are blindly defending the undefendable.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by skardanelli)
B man, this horrible beheading is not the first commuted by islamists, it is not because it is a crime in Tunisia that the government is at the best weak facing islamists. I do not see many churches in islamic countries it is forbidden to worship other god than Allah in Saudi Arabia. Concerning the source, it is on the Egyptian TV this footage has been aired : it is not Mubarak Egypt as far as I know. In fact I think your are blindly defending the undefendable.

Largely because you have never seen an Islamic country.

I won't respond to you further because this post and the OP both demonstrate an incredible amount of ignorance of Islam, Islamism and the Arab spring.

[ExMuslim]

Muslims believe if you are born Muslim or convert into that religion that you can never leave. If a person becomes an apostate, they are given an opportunity to recant and once again proclaim their belief in Allah and the prophet Muhammad, and if they refuse their blood becomes "hallal", meaning its permissible to spill their blood for turning their back on god. Had I lived in a Muslim country, I myself as a former Muslim would be killed like the man in the video.

[DorianGrayism]

This has zero to do with the Arab Spring.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
This has zero to do with the Arab Spring.

Don't be idiotic. The Arab Spring resulted in the secular liberal leaders like Ben Ali to be overthrown, and now Tunisia has a largely Islamist government that is doing a bad job of keeping the more radical Islamists in line. These Islamists would have never dared to kill apostates or attack bars and movie theaters when Ben Ali was in power.

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Don't be idiotic. The Arab Spring resulted in the secular liberal leaders like Ben Ali to be overthrown, and now Tunisia has a largely Islamist government that is doing a bad job of keeping the more radical Islamists in line. These Islamists would have never dared to kill apostates or attack bars and movie theaters when Ben Ali was in power.

This happened before the Arab Spring. It will continue to happen after the Arab Spring.

The Old Tunisian Government only appeased Islamists. The same way virtually every Government in the Middle East was doing. People have just made up this false image of the dictators of the ME keeping "radical Islamists in line". Nothing of the sort happened. Radical Islamists were everywhere and were only dealt with now and again.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
This happened before the Arab Spring. It will continue to happen after the Arab Spring.

The Old Tunisian Government only appeased Islamists. The same way virtually every Government in the Middle East was doing. People have just made up this false image of the dictators of the ME keeping "radical Islamists in line". Nothing of the sort happened. Radical Islamists were everywhere and were only dealt with now and again.

You expose yourself as being ignorant if you think Ben Ali, who the Islamists hated and considered an apostate himself, appeased Islamists. You must be mistaking the former Tunisia for Saudi Arabia. Please do not speak on things which you clearly are manifestly ignorant.

[getfunky!]

(Original post by Qur'an 16:106-109)
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;

That is because they preferred the worldly life over the Hereafter and that Allah does not guide the disbelieving people.

Those are the ones over whose hearts and hearing and vision Allah has sealed, and it is those who are the heedless.

Assuredly, it is they, in the Hereafter, who will be the losers.

Their holy book clearly states that they would be 'punished in the hereafter' i.e. hell, it makes no mention of a muslim having the right to kill an apostate especially in such a horrific way.

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
You expose yourself as being ignorant if you think Ben Ali, who the Islamists hated and considered an apostate himself, appeased Islamists. You must be mistaking the former Tunisia for Saudi Arabia. Please do not speak on things which you clearly are manifestly ignorant.

Stop making things up.

I didn't say that Islamists didn't hate them. I didn't say that they did not consider him an apostate.

That does not mean that his Government was taking effective action against them or kept in them line. They didn't try to keep them in line and it was never their policy to do so.

Now, stop making excuses for the appeasers of Radical Islamic like Ali and co.

[Dirac Delta Function]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Don't be idiotic. The Arab Spring resulted in the secular liberal leaders like Ben Ali to be overthrown, and now Tunisia has a largely Islamist government that is doing a bad job of keeping the more radical Islamists in line. These Islamists would have never dared to kill apostates or attack bars and movie theaters when Ben Ali was in power.

secular, yes, liberal, no.

[badcheesecrispy]

Theres loads of islamic beheading videos online, if you know where to look

Also came across a video once of radical islamists with a naked guy hung upside down, they went on to cut his cock and balls off, then his arms and legs and then his head

the islamic saying was said before the cock and ball cutting, allah akbar or whatever it is

[cgraham15]

Seems to be due more to uneducated crazed extremists than the arab spring (isn't that a thing for political and economic affairs?). Still, its disgusting. Shows how mad and evil some people can be.

[Dirac Delta Function]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Theres loads of islamic beheading videos online, if you know where to look

Also came across a video once of radical islamists with a naked guy hung upside down, they went on to cut his cock and balls off, then his arms and legs and then his head

the islamic saying was said before the cock and ball cutting, allah akbar or whatever it is

Nice bunch, Islamists. How could someone not want to convert to this great religion!?

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
Nice bunch, Islamists. How could someone not want to convert to this great religion!?

I don't know, but if it was a case of converting or that shocking fate I'd have to reluctantly pick the former

[MrHayden]

Religion doesn't deserve a ****ing place on the face of this earth.

[Above.The.Empyrean]

**** religion, embrace philosophy and spirituality. It is permissible to have conviction in God, but why the detrimental restrains and encumbrance of religion?

[skardanelli]

(Original post by B-Man.)
Largely because you have never seen an Islamic country.

I won't respond to you further because this post and the OP both demonstrate an incredible amount of ignorance of Islam, Islamism and the Arab spring.

Uh! Uh! I born in islamic country and lived 20 years there ! Intolerance is the rule in country ruled by Islam, I repeat you must be blind if you do not see all the violation of basic democratic rules commited in name of God under shariah.

Eventually, do you think, for instance, it is normal to forbid women to direve a car? That's illegal in Saudi Arabia.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" Thomas Mann.