V. quick bond angle question?
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V. quick bond angle question?Say if there was a nitrogen, and oxygen and another nitrogen attached to a carbon. The oxygen forms a double bond.
Would that mean, there are 4 groups of electrons around the carbon or three in determining the bond angle? I'm thinking you take the double bond as 1 so you have 3 groups of electrons so the bond angle would be 120 ?
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N---C===O
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Re: V. quick bond angle question?I think it would be three sets of bonding electrons to consider (one double bond from the oxygen and the two single bonds from the nitrogen). Because the oxygen is a double bond, I think the angle between the two nitrogens would be slightly smaller than 120, but not sure whether the double bond between the nitrogen atoms would constrain how small/large the bond is. Im not too sure, but I think it would be roughly trigonal planar with respect to the carbon atom.(Original post by Jasmine_777)
Say if there was a nitrogen, and oxygen and another nitrogen attached to a carbon. The oxygen forms a double bond.
Would that mean, there are 4 groups of electrons around the carbon or three in determining the bond angle? I'm thinking you take the double bond as 1 so you have 3 groups of electrons so the bond angle would be 120 ?
Tried to illustrate here:
N---C===O
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N
Thanks!
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Re: V. quick bond angle question?The bond angle would be 120o, as you treat the C=O double bond as a single bond, as there are only 3 R groups(Original post by Jasmine_777)
Say if there was a nitrogen, and oxygen and another nitrogen attached to a carbon. The oxygen forms a double bond.
Would that mean, there are 4 groups of electrons around the carbon or three in determining the bond angle? I'm thinking you take the double bond as 1 so you have 3 groups of electrons so the bond angle would be 120 ?
Tried to illustrate here:
N---C===O
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N
Thanks!
Illustration failed! Basically that N at the bottom is bonded to Carbon via single bond.
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Re: V. quick bond angle question?Thanks!(Original post by thegodofgod)
The bond angle would be 120o, as you treat the C=O double bond as a single bond, as there are only 3 R groups
