You absolutley know nothing about American politics.
(Original post by Maddog Jones)
The reality of it is that Obama is progressive/left wing
, constrained in large parts by his right wing country, who will never accept fully redistribution of wealth policies or gun control, and Cameron is regressive/right wing, constrained by his more left wing country - who fight against things such as tax cuts for the rich etc.
If Obama is progressive and left wing, please explain the following policies:
- Expanded Afghanistan war to record levels (33,000 troops under Bush to 100,000 under Obama).
- Extended Bush Tax cuts
- Signed NDAA, Americans can be locked up indefinitely without trial
- Executive Orders for warentless wiretapping
- Extended Patriot act
- National version of Romneycare
- Running up drone wars in several different countries
- Saved the biggest banks and crooks and not have one of the arrested
- Has done nothing to support campaign finance reform or get money out of politics
Honestly if you think that Obama is "left wing" then seriously are deluded. So he supports gay marriage, but what has he done about it? The only reason why he supported it in the first place is because he attract the big doners, theres a lot of money in gay rights. If there was no money he would have said no, which backs my opinion on Obama and campaign finance reform, he soaks up all the big money and does nothing to change wall street. In reality he's just part of system like everybody else.
Last edited by Sharpshooter; 07-06-2012 at 05:59.
Well the way you're talking you don't sound like a liberal, wars are ok, tax cuts are ok.
(Original post by Maddog Jones)
Patriot Act was Bush's idea, not Obama's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
Not arresting 'crooks on wall street' doesn't mean he's not progressive.
And yes, he did have to extend the Bush tax cuts - a lot had been passed but hadn't come into place yet, and others were forced by Republicans in Congress as part of his financial stimulus ($300bn of the $800bn stimulus was tax cuts). Not that there's anything particularly immoral about tax cuts, either.
The Bush tax cuts have been a failure, back when clinton was taxing the top 2% more revenue was brought in and it help balance the budget. The economy failed massively under Bush and compared to Clinton job creation was minimal.
This isn't tax cuts for the middle class, this is tax cuts for the RICHEST top 2%. So much so that Obama regrets it and disagrees with you and is looking to bring in the buffet rule. 70%+ of Americans support tax increases on the rich.
Actually if you want proof I can prove to you that Obama was offered a larger stimulus at the start of his presidency but rejected it, because he wasn't too sure if it would pass (Obama had majorities remember), nothing really to do with the GOP.
Oh so because he hasn't done anything to arrest the bankers thats ok, what the people who destroyed the economy? Nothing's been done to arrest them?
Obama promised to 'change the way Washington fundementally works', he's done nothing of the sort, the same old system is still in place and the same old crooks are in charge. When you hire people like Summers and Geitner what do you expect?
I'm sorry but if you like Obama thats fine, but to call him a progressive is a joke. He's not progressive in the slightest. (Gay rights but theres money behind that).
Last edited by Sharpshooter; 07-06-2012 at 23:47.