EU Bloc Free Trade Treaty
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OOC: It's disappointing that France/Germany/the UK haven't popped up given each have clear positions to defend/assert on this topic.
The Kingdom of Denmark reasserts that we support international trade. Our reason for opposing this treaty is that we believe developing nations should have the power to protect fledgling industries in their economies. If this treaty were to allow such underdeveloped countries to operate some such basic measures then this treaty would have Danish support. We've long wanted to break down the protectionism of developed European powers.
So we're vetoing the Treaty until our demands are met. Compromise is integral to the EU.Last edited by JPKC; 11-06-2012 at 17:29. -
OOC: note that I'm representative for both Holy See and New Zealand. As an observer can Holy See still join?(Original post by stanlas)
The Czech Republic must remind New Zealand that such a procedure would be completely un-practical. The original treaty will only include EU members (as it is currently an EU bloc treaty); we expect perhaps twenty or even more countries will want to join the Treaty as well once it has been signed. As such, we would need to do at least twenty seperate votes/threads in MUN. Because of this problem we have an eviction section instead, to allow us to kick out the worst offending members; for example, if Syria tries to join then we shall call a vote of eviction on it (unless the political situation there changes of course).
The Holy See will sign the original treaty as an EU member.
New Zealand wishes to be part of the trade zone, but the issue above stated is a problem. We accept your sentiments. We would therefore ask that a list be compiled prior to the opening for applications, which would contain countries banned from joining. How would you respond to that?
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyWe think that the Holy See can sign as an original member, even if it is an observer. We welcome the idea of a list, and shall discuss it with our co-submitters.(Original post by hines)
OOC: note that I'm representative for both Holy See and New Zealand. As an observer can Holy See still join?
The Holy See will sign the original treaty as an EU member.
New Zealand wishes to be part of the trade zone, but the issue above stated is a problem. We accept your sentiments. We would therefore ask that a list be compiled prior to the opening for applications, which would contain countries banned from joining. How would you respond to that?
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade Treaty(Original post by Morgsie)
QFAWe would like to modify articles 2 and 3 to this:(Original post by hines)
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Article 2: Application to join
2.1. Any nation represented in the (M)UN and not currently a member of the WFTZ or on the 'list' may ask the Secretary General be added to the Treaty
2.2. The nation is then added as a signatory of the Treaty with immediate effect
2.3. Once the Treaty has been ratified the original co-submitters must produce a 'list' of nations that shall be banned from the Treaty due to consistent and serve breaches of human rights
2.4. The 'list' shall be accepted with a 75% majority over a two day vote; all EU bloc members may vote on the original 'list'
2.5. Any member of the WFTZ can submit a motion to remove a specific nation from the 'list,' providing that two other members of the WFTZ co-submit the motion
2.6. After a five day discussion the motion shall pass to a two day vote; if a majority of 75% votes in favour, then the nation in question is removed from the 'list' and is free to apply to join the WFTZ
Article 3: Leaving the Treaty/WFTZ
3.1. A sovereign government may decide to withdraw its signature from the Treaty, provided that at least two months notice is given beforehand
3.2. Any member of the WFTZ can submit a motion to add a specific nation to the 'list,' providing that two other members of the WFTZ co-submit the motion
3.3. After a five day discussion the motion shall pass to a two day vote; if a majority of 75% votes in favour, then the nation in question is added to the 'list' and can no longer apply to join the WFTZ
3.4. The nation in question is also removed from the WFTZ with immediate effect if it was already a member -
Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyOOC: Agreed. I don't think that I've ever even seen the French or German delegate comment on EU stuff, which is disappointing given that they are the main members. At least on TSR no-one can accuse the EU of being run by the Germans(Original post by JPKC)
OOC: It's disappointing that France/Germany/the UK haven't popped up given each have clear positions to defend/assert on this topic.
We don't believe that any exceptions should be made; if a developed nation wishes to be protectionist, then it is not forced to join. We do not accept the 'infant industry' argument either, as we believe that protectionism is flawed for any sector of the economy, even a new one; the best way for developing nations to develop would be to join the WFTZ and gain unrestricted access to EU markets.(Original post by JPKC)
The Kingdom of Denmark reasserts that we support international trade. Our reason for opposing this treaty is that we believe developing nations should have the power to protect fledgling industries in their economies. If this treaty were to allow such underdeveloped countries to operate some such basic measures then this treaty would have Danish support. We've long wanted to break down the protectionism of developed European powers.
The EU currently has tariffs on many more advanced products, preventing the development of those industries in developing countries; if we remove these, then we will remove a major barrier to their development. -
OOC: Yeah cause it's run by the Czechs instead!(Original post by stanlas)
OOC: Agreed. I don't think that I've ever even seen the French or German delegate comment on EU stuff, which is disappointing given that they are the main members. At least on TSR no-one can accuse the EU of being run by the Germans.
I've asked the Secretary General to hold an election for China's rep and I intend to stand because I'm quite knowledgeable about the country. Maybe the same should be done for France/the UK...
EU markets are already developed post-industrial economies, they do not need protectionism to grow. Competition between equals is fair, which is why Denmark joined the common market in the first place. We do not believe that this proposed treaty would do enough for developing nations.We don't believe that any exceptions should be made; if a developed nation wishes to be protectionist, then it is not forced to join. We do not accept the 'infant industry' argument either, as we believe that protectionism is flawed for any sector of the economy, even a new one; the best way for developing nations to develop would be to join the WFTZ and gain unrestricted access to EU markets.
Denmark agrees on this point.The EU currently has tariffs on many more advanced products, preventing the development of those industries in developing countries; if we remove these, then we will remove a major barrier to their development.
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyOOC: Ah, socialism in action.(Original post by JPKC)
OOC: I've asked the Secretary General to hold an election for China's rep and I intend to stand because I'm quite knowledgeable about the country. Maybe the same should be done for France/the UK...
Personally I agree that most of the permanent seats should be up for election soon; its not that I have anything against the individual members currently representing those countries, but they really should be the most active members in MUN and show an example to the rest.
How would Denmark propose to help developing nations then?(Original post by JPKC)
EU markets are already developed post-industrial economies, they do not need protectionism to grow. Competition between equals is fair, which is why Denmark joined the common market in the first place. We do not believe that this proposed treaty would do enough for developing nations. -
I agree.(Original post by stanlas)
OOC: Ah, socialism in action.
Personally I agree that most of the permanent seats should be up for election soon; its not that I have anything against the individual members currently representing those countries, but they really should be the most active members in MUN and show an example to the rest.
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyHopefully the permanent seats will come up for election soon. The activity of some of the current reps isn't great and it would be nice to see other members get the opportunity to serve as permanent SC reps. Hopefully it will boost general debating levels as well and encourage renewed interest in MUN business.
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyThe Kingdom of Denmark is dismayed by the reluctance of the member to accept that sometimes free trade is a bad thing for poor countries - we see the view as unjustifiable in the light of evidence, and naively idealistic. This is a highly dubious position to take.(Original post by stanlas)
We also like to point out that this is an opt-in treaty, meaning that if a country believes it will be 'exploited' then it is not obliged to join in.
Denmark maintains that it shall not co-operate with this treaty unless certain conditions are met.
We shall ratify only if the following provisions are included:
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyIf the language was stronger in 2.1 (must refrain from is a little weak), the MHoC would back these changes.(Original post by JPKC)
The Kingdom of Denmark is dismayed by the reluctance of the member to accept that sometimes free trade is a bad thing for poor countries - we see the view as unjustifiable in the light of evidence, and naively idealistic. This is a highly dubious position to take.
Denmark maintains that it shall not co-operate with this treaty unless certain conditions are met.
We shall ratify only if the following provisions are included:
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Re: EU Bloc Free Trade Treaty(Original post by JPKC)
QFAWe agree with the MHoC's comments here.(Original post by toronto353)
If the language was stronger in 2.1 (must refrain from is a little weak), the MHoC would back these changes. -
Re: EU Bloc Free Trade TreatyGreece views the 'evicitions' process as a sound and necessary measure to be implemented should the treaty be passed.(Original post by stanlas)
We agree that some nations that have seen serious breaches of human rights should not be included, which is why we have included an 'evictions' process. However, unless it is in specific circumstances to 'punish' nations that have seriously breached human rights, protectionism is never a desirable thing.
I've asked the Secretary General to hold an election for China's rep and I intend to stand because I'm quite knowledgeable about the country. Maybe the same should be done for France/the UK...
Personally I agree that most of the permanent seats should be up for election soon; its not that I have anything against the individual members currently representing those countries, but they really should be the most active members in MUN and show an example to the rest.