[Catch21*]

(Original post by Nightstar-27)
Christians generally disregard most of the old testament and mostly follow the new testament.

Why the neg?

You sound like A Taliban associate. I've been on here 5 minutes and innapropriate slurs is all I see.

[DeepBlue-4]

(Original post by TheHistoryStudent)
Not if they dont want to, and if God really does care about the things he's created not wearing a headscarf when they worship him even if they live religious lives then he has some serious control issues to work out. It's stuff like this I think where some of the contemporary views of the time creep into the bible to be honest, as I assume by Corinthians we're talking about Paul's various letters to them yes? In which case he is bound to have had some of his own opinions put in either conciously or subconciously about the place of men and women in society at some point in his writings if he was talking about the subject.

Of course none of this is testable on whether God really does give a crap about women covering their hair, so really I'd say its up to the individual, if they want to, fine, if they dont fine - as I said above, surely God cares about more important aspects of faith than whether someone wears a rag on their head...

control issues, wierd way to talk about god but ok. if god says do something a specific way its not about control issues its about god wanting human kind to do something. its no different to god saying dont kill, dont drink alcohol etc.
the fact is the bible says they should, whether they do or not is a different matter, like i said people interpret it in different ways according to their 'bases' or tools of thought, their philosophy and for alot of people their own desires

[Sir Fox]

Well, in my opinion they should walk around the way god created them

I mean, he didn't want them to pick from the tree so he obviously didn't want them to get the desire to dress, am I right?

[Nightstar-27]

(Original post by Catch21*)
You sound like A Taliban associate. I've been on here 5 minutes and innapropriate slurs is all I see.

I'm hardly like a Taliban Associate. In case you haven't noticed some of the things Jesus said overwrites what's in the old testament, such as eating pork, thus Christians tend to place the messages in the new testament higher than those of the old.

[katyness]

Ok so.. I'm a Christian. I was in bible studies but it started to confuse me so I stopped reading the bible. Today I just revived why:

"For this reason a woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels."

What?

[Maker]

If Christian women worn head coverings, it would make them even more frumpy then most of them are already.

Christian men would not want to go out with them if they are unattractive and mate with more attractive none Christian women and the numbers of families where both parents are Christian will decrease. This will lead to a decrease in the number of Christian progeny.

Unattractive Christian women may remain unattached and have to join Christian dating sites in a futile attempt to find mates.

I don't think that is a bad thing.

[TheHistoryStudent]

(Original post by DeepBlue-4)
control issues, wierd way to talk about god but ok. if god says do something a specific way its not about control issues its about god wanting human kind to do something. its no different to god saying dont kill, dont drink alcohol etc.
the fact is the bible says they should, whether they do or not is a different matter, like i said people interpret it in different ways according to their 'bases' or tools of thought, their philosophy and for alot of people their own desires

Firstly this isn't the literal word of God (but fair play to you if that's what you want to believe), but rather it is an extract from the writings of Paul to the Christians in Corinth advising them on the particular situation they were facing at the time, and secondly surely it is about control? God gave us free will, and yet he then puts in place a large number of things for us to live our lives by which seem unnecessary in order for us to worship him. For commands like "don't kill" then I can perfectly understand the point of it, as by commanding us not to kill God is telling us to do something which works toward the common good of human society, but if God is telling us that women should cover their head in the name of modesty (because it's impossible for a woman to be modest and have her head uncovered isn't it? ) then what does this achieve other than limiting a woman's chance to think for herself and decide how she should dress? And then to drag that out in the manner I mentioned above about not killing people, how does god telling women to cover their head actually benefit human society? A Woman could have her head uncovered and be modest, and a woman could have her head covered and be arrogant... at the end of the day it's a stupid "rule" which only makes any sense if the woman chooses to do so, as then it's down to them, and as I mentioned earlier (and I believe someone else quoted me about it actually) - if God really does see a woman not covering her head in the same way as a murderer, then he needs to get some bloody perspective on right and wrong, because frankly if he can't see the difference, he has no right to make up such idiotic rules.

[aljolson]

(Original post by abdiz12)
If you see the pics of Virgin Mary, she is not just wearing a head covering, but she's dressed modestly as well. So yes they can wear it if they're modestly overall, no if not. Either way is their choice.

I have never seen a picture of the VM, who took them, was photography invented in her time????????

[abdiz12]

(Original post by aljolson)
I have never seen a picture of the VM, who took them, was photography invented in her time????????

Its just a depiction of how she looked liked from accounts I think. But the important thing is Christians view of her which was a pious woman, so they should strive to be like her and use her as role model.

[DeepBlue-4]

(Original post by TheHistoryStudent)
Firstly this isn't the literal word of God (but fair play to you if that's what you want to believe), but rather it is an extract from the writings of Paul to the Christians in Corinth advising them on the particular situation they were facing at the time, and secondly surely it is about control? God gave us free will, and yet he then puts in place a large number of things for us to live our lives by which seem unnecessary in order for us to worship him. For commands like "don't kill" then I can perfectly understand the point of it, as by commanding us not to kill God is telling us to do something which works toward the common good of human society, but if God is telling us that women should cover their head in the name of modesty (because it's impossible for a woman to be modest and have her head uncovered isn't it? ) then what does this achieve other than limiting a woman's chance to think for herself and decide how she should dress? And then to drag that out in the manner I mentioned above about not killing people, how does god telling women to cover their head actually benefit human society? A Woman could have her head uncovered and be modest, and a woman could have her head covered and be arrogant... at the end of the day it's a stupid "rule" which only makes any sense if the woman chooses to do so, as then it's down to them, and as I mentioned earlier (and I believe someone else quoted me about it actually) - if God really does see a woman not covering her head in the same way as a murderer, then he needs to get some bloody perspective on right and wrong, because frankly if he can't see the difference, he has no right to make up such idiotic rules.

I dont belive it is the word of god, my point was if you do, or at least if you belive it is an accurate version of the word of god, then you are likely to follow it literaly. if however you belive it to be interpretation then you may not follow it as stringently.
as for 'For commands like "don't kill" then I can perfectly understand the point of it, as by commanding us not to kill God is telling us to do something which works toward the common good of human society, but if God is telling us that women should cover their head in the name of modesty (because it's impossible for a woman to be modest and have her head uncovered isn't it? ) '
your basically saying that you cant see the benefit of covering the head therefore it doesnt exist. think again, think about what kind of benefits women dressing modestly brings. and about thinking for herself, thats a bad argument, because the law today limits how we dress, i couldnt go out naked because its apparently 'indecent' lol, so the law says that modesty involves covering your private parts im sure you wouldnt disagree that, all god asks for is a higher level of modesty, not just covering your privates but also the rest of your beauty e.g. hair and cleavage etc.
'he needs to get some bloody perspective on right and wrong' do you belive that? you realise that without god right and wrong are irrelevant right?

[tazarooni89]

(Original post by Nightstar-27)
Christians generally disregard most of the old testament and mostly follow the new testament.

Why the neg?

I assume it's because the OP's quote is from the New Testament, not the Old Testament - So while your point is true, it isn't really relevant.

[Lumos]

My mym is a hardcore christian and I'm always so tempted to quote this verse every time she goes off on one about how oppressive islamic culture is to women... but I don't as I'm sure there's some excuse that means this verse is 'metaphorical'...

[navarre]

The issue here is the oversexualization of the female body to the point where even exposed hair becomes looked down upon as immodest.

The Bible is a decent bit of literature for its time, but asking all future believing women to dress up in a ridiculous manner for the sake of 'modesty' seems a little inane even by Paul's standards.

[Christianlady]

Hello,

As for Paul's teaching to the church in Corinth, it is important to note the following:

1. There is no specific command from God accounted in the Tanakh ordering women to wear head coverings.
2. The only place in the Christian Bible where women wearing head coverings is ordered is by Paul to the church in Corinth.
3. Paul wrote to the different churches based on their personal issues and strengths.
4. Paul does not take into account the obvious fact that head coverings (hats) are worn by men too, including when they are praying.

For example,

1 Corinthians 11, says

" Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head."

However, the Jewish priests were a mitre (turban or headdress), which covered the head, when entering the Temple, and possibly while praying as well (Exodus 28).

So, Paul was writing with respect to the culture of the people in the Greek city of Corinth. Because this command concerning head coverings is not in any other letter of Paul, nor is it a teaching of Jesus, many Christians naturally consider this to be a cultural issue that Paul was addressing specifically to the Gentile Christian Corinthian women.

Also since Paul, a Jewish person, had grown up in Judaism and followed Jesus, who is Jewish, the Jewish custom of that time (and for some Jewish people of today) was for married women to cover their heads in some way. However, it was not a specific command in the Tanach, but rather a more cultural style, like jeans are a cultural style from the USA.

Peace and God bless you

[Christianlady]

(Original post by navarre)
The issue here is the oversexualization of the female body to the point where even exposed hair becomes looked down upon as immodest.

The Bible is a decent bit of literature for its time, but asking all future believing women to dress up in a ridiculous manner for the sake of 'modesty' seems a little inane even by Paul's standards.

Hello Navarre,

It is sad but noteworthy that many men who are used to women being all covered up, have a very difficult time controlling their minds/themselves/and their eyes when they see women who are not hidden in cloth. They haven't learned how to train their minds.

Most Christians of today do not take Paul's order concerning head coverings to just one city-state, Corinth, to be the all-in-all concerning what Christians are supposed to do. Many understand that Paul, a man who never got married and who was previously a zealous Pharisee before his conversion, wrote to different cultures and promoted purity. Now, it's possible that there is a very good reason he wrote this to the Corinth church. He did tend to write to address specific issues.

Peace and God bless

[CHEM_sucks]

Hello, as a muslim I already wear a headscarf. And I was wondering... If the old testament states you should..

Would you mind wearing a head scarf?

[ConnorB]

(Original post by Maker)
Its a bit unlikely Mary would have blue eyes.

It's also a bit unlikely she was a Virgin either

[OurSeaBee]

We could look at it another way: Should men wear hats in church? As I understand, men keep their heads uncovered in church on account of 1 Corinthians 11. If we expect men to keep to that 'rule,' oughtn't we to expect women to keep to the corresponding part?

As an aside, Orthodox priests wear hats during services, but remove them at certain points.