Woman raped at 3am by a sick nasty rapist after getting thrown off the bus...

Women are more likely to be raped by someone they know. So if they rely on a man to see them home safely, they're statistically at a greater risk (I believe it's 10-15% of rapes carried out by strangers, as opposed to 85-90% carried out by someone the survivor already knew)

Seriously? You think it's more dangerous to walk home with a male friend than alone? Remind me if I ever meet you to not offer to walk you home in case you think I'm intending to rape you.

Well I dont think thats agreeing with me at all as I dont think ANY of it was her fault.

You think 1% of the blame should be given to her just because she couldnt afford her 20p bus fayre? Dont be so ridiculous.

There is only one person to blame here and thats the sick rapist. 100%

Again, I'm going by stats. Only 10 - 15% of rapes are committed by a stranger. I'm not going on the "all men are rapists" thing. I'm pointing out that expecting women to rely on men to walk them home is misogynistic, and open to abuse by the very men women are expecting, thanks to various rape myths, to protect them. I mean, whether a woman wants you to walk them home is entirely down to her. It's an old myth that strangers are more dangerous than acquaintances. The reality is a depressing one.

Obviously, but if you read the article properly you'd understand where that view comes from. I can't be bothered to write it all again.

Not at all, and I didn't say that simply because I felt disagreeing with you on a mere whim, it's nothing personal, I have particularly strong feelings about this issue. The girl lives in Mansfield and was stuck in Nottingham, that is absolutely not a distance that you can walk; the idea of anyone being stranded anywhere helpless in the middle of the night is not something I can accept. Whether she was stupid for ending up in that position in the first place (probably yes), as a lot of people have said, isn't the the point.

Anyone is vulnerable on the streets at night, maybe that isn't the case wherever you are in Scotland but it is in Nottingham. Just a couple of brief examples, both male; a friend of mine from college was walking home in Highbury Vale from a night out at around 1am when 2 lads attacked him with pieces of wood, without any reason at all - completely random I know, but it happened, and he's a big guy. The other example was the father of a female friend of mine was near his home in Cotgrave when 10 lads (yes, 10, which I referenced earlier) stopped him in the street, attacked him and left him with a couple of broken ribs. I've suffered two attempted muggings myself, though neither time did they get anything. I'm not going to speak to you as abruptly as you did to me, but I think it's slightly naive to think that only petite girls are vulnerable at 3am in the rough edge of a city centre. I'm sure it's not a position that you'd wish to find yourself in, I have no problem at all admitting that I wouldn't.

My opinion is that a scheme should be set up where between the hours of 12 at night and 6 in the morning buses delay payment for anyone that doesn't have the full fare by adding it to a tab; I appreciate that this would be difficult to regulate and whether this would involve them carrying some kind of ID card, a fingerprint scanner or the bus simply offering to take you to the station where you can wait out the night I don't know, but it would be entirely worth it; right here before you is a girl who wouldn't have had her life potentially ruined due to it.

Let's face it, neither of the beatings your acquaintances received will be as psychologically damaging as a rape. Of course I wouldn't be comfortable in a position similar to which she was, but as a male I wouldn't have the fear of sexual assault.

Your scheme is extraneous. All that is needed is for bus drivers not to be morons. Leaving a girl stranded at 3am is a moronic thing to do. I don't care much for solutions or how similarly males may suffer after being rejected from a bus. She was raped.

What is the breakdown in your stats for "friends"? "The creepy guy who leers at you in the pub every time you go" is someone you know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he raped someone he offered to walk home.

I'm not sure on the breakdown for friends, but if I remember correctly, current or previous partners is at around 60%.

But anyway, my point is, even having a friend walk you home isn't a failsafe option, and telling women what to do to protect themselves from rape leads to rape myths, victim blaming, and survivors left feeling unable to report rape, because we've spent too long focusing on what the survivor should do to prevent rape, and not enough time looking at what men and society should do to prevent rape.

Are you saying nobody should be given advice on how to avoid being the victims of rape? Of any crime?

And how can a man prevent rape? Ok, you can tell rapists not to rape, but that's not going to work. A non-rapist can offer to be an extra person walking a woman home (also less likely to get attacked in general if there's more of you), but you're saying women should refuse this because he's more likely to rape her than be of any protection. So tell me, how can a man prevent rape?

There's a number of ways.

OK, this is an American site, but it's got some good tips. What Men Can Do

Rape prevention tips don't work, because they only cover a small number of rapes; what do you suggest to the woman who's raped at home, by the man she thought was her loving partner?

Or the one who had a male friend walk her home, and then he did rape her?

It makes no sense to offer tips to protect yourself against rape. Being raped is passive; raping someone is active. Attack the perpetrators behaviour, not the survivors.

my dads a bus driver and if your on your way home and its late you fill out a small form on the bus and you basically have to pay the fee back during the following week!

some drivers are just *****!!!

But you've just said men should be instructed on how to prevent other women being raped. Random non-rapist males aren't the perpetrators either.

my dads a bus driver and if your on your way home and its late you fill out a small form on the bus and you basically have to pay the fee back during the following week!

some drivers are just *****!!!