[Iron Lady]

(Original post by Elipsis)
So boring... Seriously, some of the greatest minds in history have used drugs and enjoyed drugs. Einstein, Dali, Freud etc. Join the partayyyyyyyyy.

You learn something new everyday.

But seriously, I associate drug-users with chavs (on the whole).

[lightburns]

(Original post by Iron Lady)
There are other ways to have fun.

Read, attend a museum, bit of drawing for "creativity", etc.

Snorting cocaine or whatever it is you feel is "enjoyable" is not an efficient use of time and it is an obvious strain on the healthcare authorities.

Better luck next time

Some other ways to have fun are climbing, motorbiking, surfing and skiing. These are not efficient uses of time and are obvious strains on the healthcare authorities.
Time to ban all the interesting sports! Not to mention making obesity an imprisonable crime, and making chocolate an illegal good.

I think not.

Also, cocaine =/= cannabis. One is dangerous and addictive, one is non-addictive and does little harm.
That's like saying that you shouldn't be allowed to travel to Iceland, because volcanoes are dangerous and you shouldn't have a hotel inside one.

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by Elipsis)

Hmmm, psychoactive goat milk. I see a viable business opportunity

(Original post by Iron Lady)
But seriously, I associate drug-users with chavs (on the whole).

You never heard of Howard Marks, Bob Hope, Bob Marley? Where have you been? Hiding under a rock?

Wise up Jimbo, you are saying you have read papers on the subject but by who? The anti-brigade pushing their propaganda? Probably.

Cannabis helps ms sufferers and all kinds of other serious illness sufferers with less debilitating side effects than man made drugs. If it grows from the ground then what is the problem, easier to produce cannabis than alcohol so look into it all if you will. Don't need to smoke it, eat it if you want, as is with most consumables they need to be done in moderation as excess can, but not always, have detrimental effects on the consumers health (eating too much junk, drinking too much alcohol etc etc).

Bet if it was the other way around and cannabis was legal and alcohol wasn't city and town centers would be very very different, I would rather be policing an area full of stoned people than an area full of drunk people.

So a teenage girl gets drunk loses her inhibitions and gets pregnant, or some guy gets too drunk and gets a girl pregnant. If the same people were too stoned I doubt this situation would occur.

[anillatoo]

I think it should be illegal along with alcohol and tobacco. I am for a drug-free world

[harreeeee]

(Original post by blueray)
Personally I think that whether it's legal or not people will still take it.

From hearing various people against and for weed, I have thought of a plan, you might be able to improve it or still be with the view that it should be illegal end of.

The plan:

1) Build weed centers far away from where anyone lives and have people who want to smoke weed to go there.

2) Don't let them go out with weed and sell it, ie you are in charge and that way people who are anti weed wont become angry because people are doing weed in there area.

3) Once you have regulated it, crime related to drugs is gone. No more gangs trying to do drugs as you have undercut them.

4) You only let people of a certain age take it and sign consent forms before hand.


And before you all neg me without fully being informed, just read the plan once again and read Drunk Punx interesting stats.

P.S.

Only reason I am not saying legalise it fully is because that would spark mass protest and that money on policing those people would be better spent elsewhere.

What is your view? Good /bad explain?

I dont think having the centres far away would work, as it would result in an increase in drug driving

[Elipsis]

(Original post by Iron Lady)
You learn something new everyday.

But seriously, I associate drug-users with chavs (on the whole).

I think almost every type of person uses drugs. In my experience any way. When I go to a rave/all night party/whatever, most of the people there are professionals with masters degrees. There's a lot of people who run their own successful businesses, artists, doctors, lawyers etc. Chavs do use drugs but they use rubbish drugs lol. I don't use coke, and I don't think I ever would unless I was down in Columbia and it was off of the tip of a knife of a drug baron or something. It definitely causes a lot of people problems. Ecstasy and pot are fine for most people though.

[Jimbo1234]

(Original post by Elipsis)
Opiods are actually addictive you nitwit. That's why they need to be regulated and controlled in some form or another. You haven't substantiated weed is addictive, and you also haven't really told us what magic thing the government is going to discover about drug use that will help them to make everyone happy with a life of sobriety? Life is ultimately a bit **** and boring, that's why people take drugs. That's why people kayak. That's why people hot air balloon. That's why people play golf. That's why people go to the football every weekend. It's called filling the time. Town centers are chocablock with people getting f-d up every single weekend. I would much rather they were smoking weed than drinking alcohol. No doubt you're one of those planks who likes a glass of red every night or something equally ridiculous? There are so many dangerous hobbies and things people do for fun, you can't and we don't ban all of them. Motorbikes, skiing, horseriding, running an aircraft, climbing etc.

So you don't know the difference between physical and mental dependency on drugs. Well you should before getting into such a debate.
Taking drugs to fill time? Well that is utterly hedonistic and very dangerous. Maybe people should stop being so boring and get a hobby? Few hobbies are dangerous, and they are only dangerous when things go wrong. Weed is just flat out dangerous.

What you have to answer is why we have an endocannabinoid system if we aren't meant to get high? I can skin up with some lettuce and lie back and chill out can I?

We have nerves thus are meant to self harm right? Such bad science and logic there.

The only correlation I know of between drug use and anything is drug use and intelligence: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...use-more-drugs

If you want to show me drug use and poverty are linked go ahead. But i've been to uni and I can assure you that more people use drugs at university than in my working class hometown.

It's called money. You can't buy drugs for free - though please go find reports on strength of narcotics related to poverty Though other reports do show quite the opposite.

(Original post by lightburns)
It's enjoyable? Just a thought.

So then why do some people take them and others don't? Nothing is ever that simple.

[lightburns]

(Original post by Jimbo1234)
So then why do some people take them and others don't? Nothing is ever that simple.

Why do some people have cats whilst some have dogs? You could get deep into the different personality traits of cat owners or dog owners, but there is also the perfectly correct simplistic answer of 'personal preference'.

Just like any other activity, such as gaming, reading, horse-riding, or watching television, it's an activity of enjoyment. Whilst cannabis is enjoyable, there will always be people taking it. I'm not sure what kind of special reasons for why cannabis users are cannabis users you are looking for.

[Suetonius]

(Original post by Jimbo1234)
...

Blah blah blah...You need to chill out a bit man. Have a spliff or something. It'll certainly help to stop you wanting to control people.

Or would it satisfy you more to see me thrown in jail?

[Yung Mon£y]

(Original post by Chulabomb)
Exactly. SELF harming as you put it, as in it affects nobody but ME. So essentially it's none of your concern. All of this rubbish about Morocco also indicates to me that you have no knowledge of the UK drug trade whatsoever. The weed dealt in this country is homegrown hahahahahaha

NO it ****ing effects me because I have to pay for it when you have to be treated for it
stop being so ****ing selfish bro
you obviously have no ****ing idea about hash and the rif valley
selfish and ignorant arent you doing great lol

[Yung Mon£y]

(Original post by Suetonius)
I've smoked weed 2-4 times a week for the past 4 years, play two sports, work out regularly, read five to six books a week for pleasure, have never suffered mentally from it (quite the reverse actually), have certainly benefited socially, and am on course for a 1st/high 2:i in arguably the best course of its kind in the country (at a university which annually falls into the top 5 of the Guardian league table, if that's important to you). Most importantly, I've stopped being a miserable little control freak, which is what you seem to be. What do you do, 'Yung Mon£y'? Please enlighten me as to how your sobriety has helped you 'excel'.

What if I was to work in a multibillion $ company on multimillion $ contracts brah ? How would that be any different to if I was stacking shelves? Trying find a way out and say weed made you into thor yeah? what the **** man what the ****
Be morally enlightened yeah and put down the joint
If you need weed then that shows youve been let down and not given the tools to deal with life by those around you

(Original post by lightburns)
I find it very interesting that that article absolutely fails the papers. It acts as though there haven't been studies at all, when there have, and the studies have shown a null result. So far, sure. Maybe it'll all be shown to be wrong. But there is evidence currently that you do not get cancer from cannabis.

What about mental dependency? You do get weed withdrawal so that shows you want to legalise an addictive substance

(Original post by OSharp)
Have you taken a walk down the corridors of an A and E department on a Saturday night before?

The families that Alcohol tears apart

And the evidence linking to Schizophrenia is tenuous at best.

I can't stand the stuff it stinks and the smell sticks to everything but all evidence points to it being relatively less harmful.

and besides your argument is invalid because the money one could raise from the taxation could easily cover this cost.

The link isnt debatable its almost 100% confirmed
Who said I was in favour of booze bro because there wrong
So if it makes money its okay then? Dont be shallow bro

[Yung Mon£y]

(Original post by Elipsis)
The point isn't that because it makes money it is morally acceptable. The point is that people will do it any way, legal or not. So we can either make them cover their costs and a nice profit, or we can leave that money in the hands of 'criminals'. Weed costs like £1 a gram to grow in large quantities, it'll probably sell at £10 a gram, and half of that will be tax like in the Netherlands.

Really? How many people do weed in Japan? Weed aint inherent so instead of acting like it is how about we sort out the **** that makes peep do it yeah?

(Original post by Scumbaggio)
Yes but we're not in spain.

There used to be loads of import around (90's 00's) but now about 95% of all WEED smoked is grown in the UK.

Hash is a totally different story, trust me I know a lot more than you do about it.

The weed goes through Spain to get to us lol epic geography fail there son
Would like to see your proof on that 95% figure if you can
Hash comes from abroad and can come from dangerous peep so dont go quiet please tell us about it

[Yung Mon£y]

(Original post by Pitt1988)
You silly, silly boy. What is it, exactly, you do then? If you are insinuating that is what I do, you are gravely mistaken. Now, I would like to reiterate once more, to my previous statements, I do not smoke any more.

You know nothing about me! However, judging by the way you articulate information in such a derogatory manner on the subject seems to demonstrate both a blissful ignorance and intellectual impediment compared to many of the posters in favour of the motion.

Drugs wont get taken away from anybody, illegal or legal. People are still going to get what they want. Legalising a drug which doesn't cause any harm, backed by numerous top scientists and high-fliers such as Sir Richard Branson, as well as taking away profit from the real criminals and gangs and into central Government, seems the logical, right and only way forward.

Not stacking shelves loooooooool
Your mouthy aint you son? Look at Japan where drug use is real low. Shows this country is filled with broken people who need drugs and cant cope with life. ****ing sad bro, real sad

[Suetonius]

(Original post by Yung Mon£y)
...

Weed isn't a 'drug'. It's a plant.

Alcohol is a poison, did you know?

[Pitt1988]

(Original post by Yung Mon£y)
Not stacking shelves loooooooool
Your mouthy aint you son? Look at Japan where drug use is real low. Shows this country is filled with broken people who need drugs and cant cope with life. ****ing sad bro, real sad

Must be why their suicide rate is nearly three times ours, eh?! I'm not mouthy, I just like to articulate a debate without the incessant use of the terms 'bro' and 'son'.

[Yung Mon£y]

(Original post by Pitt1988)
Must be why their suicide rate is nearly three times ours, eh?! I'm not mouthy, I just like to articulate a debate without the persistent use of the term 'bro' and 'son'.

Get off it son you cant just say they have high suicide rate because they dont do pot thats ****ing mental

(Original post by Suetonius)
Weed isn't a 'drug'. It's a plant.

Alcohol is a poison, did you know?

Actually its a toxin. LOL
Oh lets be picky then and talk just about THC? Whatever man whatever

[Pitt1988]

(Original post by Yung Mon£y)
Get off it son you cant just say they have high suicide rate because they dont do pot thats ****ing mental



Actually its a toxin. LOL
Oh lets be picky then and talk just about THC? Whatever man whatever

You never know do you. The debate of suicide covers such far reaching different social factors like quality of life, social bonds etc. In actual fact, fatalistic suicide is due to excessive social restraint, or in your terms, 'too much control bro'.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is using Japan as a model country is utter ****e.

[OSharp]

(Original post by Yung Mon£y)
The link isnt debatable its almost 100% confirmed

I have read 1 journal that would support this i think it was the american epidemiology journal or something along those lines and I have also read evidence that THC can help alleviate the symptoms of Alzheimer's, the point is the scientific community hasn't reached a decision.