[endoftheline]

Today, we were told of 'racist' incidents already occurring during a warm-up by the Dutch team for the Euro 2012 (http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16243485).

I suppose that there were chants and taunts and the like.

Maybe a good technique against such primitiveness would be for those being abused to join in the chants and whatnot. It is a sort of reverse psychology. It would be so stupid as to render the intentional racism as silly, childish and worthless. (Example: If a black English player is playing with the English team against France for example and portions of the crowd are taunting him; he should suddenly stop playing, go to that section of the crowd and join in with their taunting. Fine, it may end up in him being ridiculed, but in fact it would also see that section ridiculed and their intentions and motives backfiring. It is basically doing the unexpected.)

Players that are being racially 'abused' shouldn't walk off the pitch - rather they should play ten times harder. For example, Balotelli said he would walk off, even though Platini said that any player doing such a thing would be yellow-carded. Balotelli shouldn't walk off - he should still carry on playing proudly. Surely, his walking off would render the motives of those sections of the crowds as fulfilled and successful, no?

And Sol Campbell advising 'black' families to not attend is quite silly. Surely this has made racist intentions successful. How can members of the Human Race be barred from sections of Planet Earth even in this day and age due to nonsense?

What do you think is the best solution to counter such incidents like this? Personally, I think a sort of 'playing them at their own game' would work - it would turn it into a ridicule. The reason why racism still holds ground is because of the responses and effects that result - because it causes outrage and anger and drama. For example, back at school, there were sometimes 'racist' jokes and whatnot in order to elicit mock outrage and OTT responses from me. Instead, I joined in and turned into ridicule and such jokes and incidents became less and less because they didn't achieve the desired response and because they themselves were ridiculed. Such incidents should be ridiculed with reciprocal sarcasm and laughs. If it is only limited to taunts and jeering and chants, then such an approach would work. With physical abuse and whatnot, of course that is a different question and such an approach would not work at all.

Thoughts?

[Spaz Man]

You may stop it at the time but it isn't a proper solution for eradicating racism full stop.

[David222]

Mocking anyone for any characteristic that they can't control is pathetic. I'm not sure why racism is held any higher than mocking people for things like the colour of their hair though, because it's exactly the same- using a trait that sets someone apart to mock them.

[The Mr Z]

(Original post by David222)
Mocking anyone for any characteristic that they can't control is pathetic. I'm not sure why racism is held any higher than mocking people for things like the colour of their hair though, because it's exactly the same- using a trait that sets someone apart to mock them.

What makes you think racism is something we can't control? There is absolutely no evidence to support that - all the studies show that it is a consciously acquired behaviour. No one is born racist.

[Kiss]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
You may stop it at the time but it isn't a proper solution for eradicating racism full stop.

And what is?

[TheLastOfUs]

(Original post by endoftheline)
Today, we were told of 'racist' incidents already occurring during a warm-up by the Dutch team for the Euro 2012 (http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16243485).

I suppose that there were chants and taunts and the like.

Maybe a good technique against such primitiveness would be for those being abused to join in the chants and whatnot. It is a sort of reverse psychology. It would be so stupid as to render the intentional racism as silly, childish and worthless. (Example: If a black English player is playing with the English team against France for example and portions of the crowd are taunting him; he should suddenly stop playing, go to that section of the crowd and join in with their taunting. Fine, it may end up in him being ridiculed, but in fact it would also see that section ridiculed and their intentions and motives backfiring. It is basically doing the unexpected.)

Players that are being racially 'abused' shouldn't walk off the pitch - rather they should play ten times harder. For example, Balotelli said he would walk off, even though Platini said that any player doing such a thing would be yellow-carded. Balotelli shouldn't walk off - he should still carry on playing proudly. Surely, his walking off would render the motives of those sections of the crowds as fulfilled and successful, no?

And Sol Campbell advising 'black' families to not attend is quite silly. Surely this has made racist intentions successful. How can members of the Human Race be barred from sections of Planet Earth even in this day and age due to nonsense?

What do you think is the best solution to counter such incidents like this? Personally, I think a sort of 'playing them at their own game' would work - it would turn it into a ridicule. The reason why racism still holds ground is because of the responses and effects that result - because it causes outrage and anger and drama. For example, back at school, there were sometimes 'racist' jokes and whatnot in order to elicit mock outrage and OTT responses from me. Instead, I joined in and turned into ridicule and such jokes and incidents became less and less because they didn't achieve the desired response and because they themselves were ridiculed. Such incidents should be ridiculed with reciprocal sarcasm and laughs. If it is only limited to taunts and jeering and chants, then such an approach would work. With physical abuse and whatnot, of course that is a different question and such an approach would not work at all.

Thoughts?

No you're primitive. I didn't read most of it but what I did read was extremely stupid.

[najinaji]

Exactly. People need to seriously grow a spine with these things. People saying bad things about you shouldn't be a cause to start wibbling and running away. Stand your ground.

[blueray]

(Original post by endoftheline)
Today, we were told of 'racist' incidents already occurring during a warm-up by the Dutch team for the Euro 2012 (http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16243485).

I suppose that there were chants and taunts and the like.

Maybe a good technique against such primitiveness would be for those being abused to join in the chants and whatnot. It is a sort of reverse psychology. It would be so stupid as to render the intentional racism as silly, childish and worthless. (Example: If a black English player is playing with the English team against France for example and portions of the crowd are taunting him; he should suddenly stop playing, go to that section of the crowd and join in with their taunting. Fine, it may end up in him being ridiculed, but in fact it would also see that section ridiculed and their intentions and motives backfiring. It is basically doing the unexpected.)

Players that are being racially 'abused' shouldn't walk off the pitch - rather they should play ten times harder. For example, Balotelli said he would walk off, even though Platini said that any player doing such a thing would be yellow-carded. Balotelli shouldn't walk off - he should still carry on playing proudly. Surely, his walking off would render the motives of those sections of the crowds as fulfilled and successful, no?

And Sol Campbell advising 'black' families to not attend is quite silly. Surely this has made racist intentions successful. How can members of the Human Race be barred from sections of Planet Earth even in this day and age due to nonsense?

What do you think is the best solution to counter such incidents like this? Personally, I think a sort of 'playing them at their own game' would work - it would turn it into a ridicule. The reason why racism still holds ground is because of the responses and effects that result - because it causes outrage and anger and drama. For example, back at school, there were sometimes 'racist' jokes and whatnot in order to elicit mock outrage and OTT responses from me. Instead, I joined in and turned into ridicule and such jokes and incidents became less and less because they didn't achieve the desired response and because they themselves were ridiculed. Such incidents should be ridiculed with reciprocal sarcasm and laughs. If it is only limited to taunts and jeering and chants, then such an approach would work. With physical abuse and whatnot, of course that is a different question and such an approach would not work at all.

Thoughts?

Yeah and get killed. No that is the most stupid and suicidal thing I have heard.
Education and no tolerance is the key here.

[David222]

(Original post by The Mr Z)
What makes you think racism is something we can't control? There is absolutely no evidence to support that - all the studies show that it is a consciously acquired behaviour. No one is born racist.

I meant you can't control the colour of your skin.

[The Mr Z]

(Original post by David222)
I meant you can't control the colour of your skin.

I think you missed the point of the thread - the idea is we should be mocking racists.

And Racism can hardly be called mockery - mocking implies in some sense a light-heartedness to your derision, Racism lies between pure mindlessness and pure hatred.

[A level Az]

(Original post by endoftheline)
Today, we were told of 'racist' incidents already occurring during a warm-up by the Dutch team for the Euro 2012 (http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16243485).

I suppose that there were chants and taunts and the like.

Maybe a good technique against such primitiveness would be for those being abused to join in the chants and whatnot. It is a sort of reverse psychology. It would be so stupid as to render the intentional racism as silly, childish and worthless. (Example: If a black English player is playing with the English team against France for example and portions of the crowd are taunting him; he should suddenly stop playing, go to that section of the crowd and join in with their taunting. Fine, it may end up in him being ridiculed, but in fact it would also see that section ridiculed and their intentions and motives backfiring. It is basically doing the unexpected.)

Players that are being racially 'abused' shouldn't walk off the pitch - rather they should play ten times harder. For example, Balotelli said he would walk off, even though Platini said that any player doing such a thing would be yellow-carded. Balotelli shouldn't walk off - he should still carry on playing proudly. Surely, his walking off would render the motives of those sections of the crowds as fulfilled and successful, no?

And Sol Campbell advising 'black' families to not attend is quite silly. Surely this has made racist intentions successful. How can members of the Human Race be barred from sections of Planet Earth even in this day and age due to nonsense?

What do you think is the best solution to counter such incidents like this? Personally, I think a sort of 'playing them at their own game' would work - it would turn it into a ridicule. The reason why racism still holds ground is because of the responses and effects that result - because it causes outrage and anger and drama. For example, back at school, there were sometimes 'racist' jokes and whatnot in order to elicit mock outrage and OTT responses from me. Instead, I joined in and turned into ridicule and such jokes and incidents became less and less because they didn't achieve the desired response and because they themselves were ridiculed. Such incidents should be ridiculed with reciprocal sarcasm and laughs. If it is only limited to taunts and jeering and chants, then such an approach would work. With physical abuse and whatnot, of course that is a different question and such an approach would not work at all.

Thoughts?

LOL did you think for even a minute? It isn't just chants and taunts, they're physically beating non whites up when they get close to them. Black/Asian families would be stupid not to take Sol Campbell's advice. Enforcing the law is the way to put this racism to rest, not joining in as that is just a feeble attempt to nullify it's affect. As we saw on Panorama though, the police and officials are ignoring the obvious racism displayed by the crowd, so they should never have got Euro 2012 in the first place.

[TheHistoryStudent]

If any member of a team is racially abused, then I think that whole team should simply boycott the match/cup, sure it might ruin/frig up many people's plans for the tournament, but at the end of the day it's not the teams who are in the wrong - why should they have to put up with racial abuse? The answer is that they shouldn't, and the honour of holding such a tournament shouldn't have been given to nations who cannot control, contain and remove these people from games so that they dont cause a problem. They do not deserve to hold such an event untill they can live up to the standards and ideas which that event represents.