why are so many black people underachieving

Most can come to the conclusion that IQ tests don't mean anything

Do you expect me to sample the whole black and Asian community in my area?

I'm only basing this on personal experience

Well they obviously mean something, but anyway that's an entirely different matter. IQ tests measure IQ. By definition. Whether you think IQ is relevant or not "in the real world" is beside the point. It remains that different "races" on average achieve differently in IQ tests, regardless of their circumstances or upbringing. That's all.



No, other people have done similar things already.



That's rarely a very good way to get a true picture of things.

why is it that there very few black people in higher education in london, ive been to quite a few open days to universitys and was surprised to see a few or even no black people in these institutions even in the jobs market you wont see many black people working in shops either, while if you were to go to the likes of brixton and lougborough you'll see pockets of the black community where they would stick together.
im not a racist as i am a black man myself, also unemployed.

discuss.......

I strongly contradict this OPINION. Inheritence is NOT inherited, you either work hard or you don't. Everybody has their place in life, a result of whether you work hard or not. We all come from the family if you go back far enough.

i totally agree with you. whoever thinks intelligence is inherited is stupid.

Because when you control for those external factors, there are still IQ differences.

People vary, in their bodies and brains alike.

Because when you control for those external factors, there are still IQ differences.

People vary, in their bodies and brains alike.

it's a genetic thing. Blacks underachieve in every developed country in the world, so it's definitely not only environmental. It's clear intelligence is massively inherited. So there is no reason why blacks as a group would not inherit lower intelligence due to the already established lower intelligences of their parents.

because white people are racist...simple

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until white people exist there will always be racism....

On average. Individuals are not averages, and individuals can privately ameliorate their intelligence if they so choose. You'll also do well to avoid conflating correlation and causation.

Pretty sure you don't mean "until white people exist"

More to the point, that's bollochs.

That's absolute rubbish and stereotyping similar to saying Asians have higher IQ's. I know loads of smart and dumb blacks and Asians, and out of these people, the blacks are generally the higher achievers.

Pretty sure that 'nurture' differences are of greater significance than 'nature' differences, ultimately.

However superior a man may be, genetically, if he is brought up in a slum, with the accompanying attitudes and culture, one doubts that he'd get very far.

I agree with you here. My post was very defectively worded - I don't always write so imprecisely... at least I hope not! o.O

But, with regards your first point; if a piece of research is comparing equal percentages of different races, from an equal variety of socio-economic backgrounds, wouldn't those results show the willingness/ability to choose to develop their intelligence? If we were able to distinguish willingness and ability, and it showed that a race had less ability to 'privately ameliorate their intelligence', couldn't that indicate a lower natural intelligence?

Difficult to quantify, I guess.

Sure. Similarly, a genetically inferior man raised in an excellent environment is unlikely to make much of himself, by himself (in whatever given capacity or endeavour). For example, with the very best training, coaches, drugs and facilities I would never have become even a regionally-competitive sprinter, say. Completely wrong body for it, in many important ways.
That's easier for people to admit than mental abilities, which we place a higher value on in this society. So we hate to think that we are in any way fated or predestined to have brains that work better in certain ways and worse in others, compared with other people.