[insignificant]

Been thinking about this, and I think its great to find out what the country wants, but at the end of the day, surely it has to be the governments decision, what they think they are best capable of, what if we left the EU because its what we wanted but the government didn't think they could manage it and then it gets us into an even bigger hole than we already are? As much as it pains me to say it, it has to be what the cons are happy with.

[MrHayden]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
A small price to pay for the wonderful freedom.

Hah! You think your freedom is worth £118 billion of everyone else's money? If you were paying yourself then I don't think there'd be much issue, but don't expect everyone else to happily throw away literally billions of pounds just to make your life a bit easier when you decide to bugger off.

£118 billion isn't a small price to pay for anything, can you even comprehend how much money it is?

[MrHayden]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
A small price to pay for the wonderful freedom.

Just to put it in perspective for you, I just did some maths: the estimated annual cost of being in the EU is the equivalent of the total income of three million average British households. You think that's a "small price" to make moving around on the continent easier for the tiny minority who are emigrating, when the entire country is in debt and millions can barely afford to feed their families? Don't be stupid.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by MrHayden)
Hah! You think your freedom is worth £118 billion of everyone else's money? If you were paying yourself then I don't think there'd be much issue, but don't expect everyone else to happily throw away literally billions of pounds just to make your life a bit easier when you decide to bugger off.

£118 billion isn't a small price to pay for anything, can you even comprehend how much money it is?

To be honest I don't really care about other people's tax money

[MrHayden]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
To be honest I don't really care about other people's tax money

In that case, good ****ing riddance when you get your useless arse out of our country!

[james22]

(Original post by MrHayden)
Because it costs us an estimated £118 billion a year?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...bn-a-year.html

We do get a lot of it back, when you look at our net contribution its more like £4.5 billion which isn't significant and is certainly nothing compared to the £118 billion your talking about.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by MrHayden)
In that case, good ****ing riddance when you get your useless arse out of our country!

U butthurt?

[MrHayden]

(Original post by james22)
We do get a lot of it back, when you look at our net contribution its more like £4.5 billion which isn't significant and is certainly nothing compared to the £118 billion your talking about.

As the article I cited points out, it's true that we do get a lot of it back. However the money that does get re-injected into our economy is subject to forms of taxation and has significant reductions to cover EU "costs". It seems to make a great deal more sense to just keep the money in UK circulation to start off with...

[MrHayden]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
U butthurt?

Well, I'm not taking your opinion seriously any more if that counts!

[Hobo389]

(Original post by DynamicSyngery)
As an idea if not as practical implementation, the EU is rooted firmly in the 1930s.

Well maybe not the 1930s, we're not building up to a war or anything 1950s, yes.

[alexs2602]

Well, this is a fail thread. I thought it might be interesting but I guess not. It's based on a purely selfish desire to move freely but it is only one part of the EU. Your argument is poor.

[DynamicSyngery]

(Original post by Hobo389)
Well maybe not the 1930s, we're not building up to a war or anything 1950s, yes.

The same objectives are instead achieved without war.

[Hobo389]

(Original post by DynamicSyngery)
The same objectives are instead achieved without war.

Ha yes, the outcome will be interesting more than anything else

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
Right now you don't need a job.

Actually I do. Not sure what your point is though.

[Average Student]

Totally agree with this. Our deep connections with other EU countries will prove ever more important as we fall deeper into this economic crisis. We aren't going to get better by our selves!

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Actually I do. Not sure what your point is though.

You don't need a job to migrate within the EU, you can go without one.

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
You don't need a job to migrate within the EU, you can go without one.

Yes. A system that allows people with no job or prospect of getting one to move to the country with the best benefit system is probably not a good thing on the whole though.

[4metal]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
I'm sat here this Friday morning, a 17 year old young man with a dead end life.

I have a part time job, which I am very grateful for, as these are in short supply and it will help me through university, which I'm starting in September, to do a degree in Actuarial Science, which again I'm happy to be going into the field, because I enjoy it and it's financially rewarding.



And now the bad stuff, I was a t*at a few years back. When I was 12 or 13 and all my schoolmates started experimenting with alcohol, I became scared and introverted and lost all my friends. Nowadays I'm much more of a party loving extrovert, but I don't get asked along to much. I'm also not particularly close with my family, I love them and everything, but I can't wait to move out of the home(I blame them a lot for losing my childhood friends)

Now, when my degree finishes I'm looking to go abroad. I have few loyalties here bar a couple of visits back a year to see my family and can think of little better than getting out of the UK and making a fresh start abroad. I'll get a fresh start this September, but after uni you go your separate ways from the people there so I want to move away.


Right now I live in the UK, a member of the EU, and it's always at the back of my mind that really whenever I want I can get on a plane and go and make a new life for myself anywhere in the European union. I could go to Germany, to Spain, to Austria, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic the list goes on and on and on. This is a great feeling of freedom to have and I'm sure many of you feel the same way.

So I ask you now, how can we look the future generation, our children, and their children, in the eye, if we deny them this opportunity of freedom?

There are over 27 languages in the EU. You usually have to know the local language (which takes years to learn) in order to get a job. So just packing your packs and getting a job is not that easy in the babylon known as EU. At least half of these EU countries pay very low salaries. Maybe you can get a job as a barman or waitor or something if you want to.

It's a lot easier to get a good job in America, Canada, NZ and Australia where the language is English. And for your info, Britts could still travel and work in europe even before joining the EU.

[shirley7]

If you want to work somewhere in the EU then you should go on a work permit. Freedom of movement is not sustainable.

[tomcol23]

(Original post by Morgsie)
As the Leader of the Pro-Europe Society I agree with the reasons about staying in.

Economics mainly

Many businesses in the export sector have a different view of the EU than you do.