[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by waqarasim)
It depends for what reasonthry are killing. In Islamthere are rulings to warfare.

Do you not think it is right to kill for your country? Why are you in Iraq then?

Im not in Iraq, im in the UK

[NuckingFut]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
i sadi charged. plenty are serving jail time right now, here and in US. Are you claiming none were guilty for conspiracy to murder?

Even if you showed me a hundred thousand, it still wouldn't equate to 1% of Muslims. 1% of Muslims is around the population of the UK, and theres NO WAY that many Muslims are in jail for murder, let alone for religious reasons.

So if by plenty, you mean "afew hundred", you yourself know that the figure isnt even worth talking about.

[ufo2012]

A third? That is worrying and will only increase...

The end is most certainly near!

[waqarasim]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Im not in Iraq, im in the UK

Haha we've got a funny one over here -.-
You know what I meant but your just dodging the point I make with a stupid joke

[darkshadow1111]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
23 y/o moslem was deported to saudi arabia on death scentence charge for tweeting "he didnt understand Mohammed" this year.


Isnt this exactly the sort of thing i was takling about, you said didnt happen?

First of all you haven't provided me with a link so i dont know whether what your telling me is true or just some crap.

secondly,that maybe 1 of a few cases.There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. The individual said "your average Muslim" thinks that making a thread or writing something bad about Islam would make us want to kill them.
Doesn't make any sense.

[doggyfizzel]

(Original post by The Mr Z)
Oh it's totally incompatible with liberal democracy, but then so is every Abrahamic religion so nothing new or special there. It just becomes a case of neutering it sufficiently as a religion as we have done with Judaism and Christianity, so only the parts that are compatible are left.

Its very difficult to do that with Islam though, the Quran is the word of God in writing, no human influence. You can't pick and choose like you can with the Bible, its not open to editing to keep it relevant. If you don't follow it to the letter, you can't be a true Muslim as you are disobeying the word of God.

[DawnRaider]

(Original post by NuckingFut)
Even if you showed me a hundred thousand, it still wouldn't equate to 1% of Muslims. 1% of Muslims is around the population of the UK, and theres NO WAY that many Muslims are in jail for murder, let alone for religious reasons.

So if by plenty, you mean "afew hundred", you yourself know that the figure isnt even worth talking about.

Ddue you are way off - first off, muslim population in prison is over 13.5 % not 1%

And the numbers arnt important, you said mosems arnt plotting to kill, but clealry there have been many documented cases where they have tried

[snozzle]

(Original post by The Mr Z)
Oh it's totally incompatible with liberal democracy, but then so is every Abrahamic religion so nothing new or special there. It just becomes a case of neutering it sufficiently as a religion as we have done with Judaism and Christianity, so only the parts that are compatible are left.

Tocqueville would disagree he saw reformed Christianity as integral to equality and democracy in America.

[DawnRaider]

(Original post by darkshadow1111)
First of all you haven't provided me with a link so i dont know whether what your telling me is true or just some crap.

secondly,that maybe 1 of a few cases.There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. The individual said "your average Muslim" thinks that making a thread or writing something bad about Islam would make us want to kill them.
Doesn't make any sense.

so your first gripe was " show me when one guy making a thread has led to moslems threantening to kill"

You were given it.

now you switch it to "uh well thats only 1 guy"

There were lots of moslems actually that threw him death threats. and a whole country of muslim has charged him with a death scentnce.

for a Tweet. yeh thats right

[NuckingFut]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
Ddue you are way off - first off, muslim population in prison is over 13.5 % not 1%

And the numbers arnt important, you said mosems arnt plotting to kill, but clealry there have been many documented cases where they have tried

Total Muslim population in prison? We were talking about the Muslim population who have been convicted for Murder due to religious beliefs. Stop changing the grounds for statistics.

[2ndClass]

Several red gems? an England flag?- knew what was coming next.......

that aside, some Muslims in this country are retarded.

[DawnRaider]

(Original post by NuckingFut)
Total Muslim population in prison? We were talking about the Muslim population who have been convicted for Murder due to religious beliefs. Stop changing the grounds for statistics.

uyyou are the one bringing up naff statitistics for no reaon.

ive been saying all along you suggesting that no moslem have ever been caught plotting murder for islam - is wrong, straight up.

[waqarasim]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
so your first gripe was " show me when one guy making a thread has led to moslems threantening to kill"

You were given it.

now you switch it to "uh well thats only 1 guy"

There were lots of moslems actually that threw him death threats. and a whole country of muslim has charged him with a death scentnce.

for a Tweet. yeh thats right

Happened in britain too, man was sent to prison for a year for a racist Facebook post!!
Same concept it's just Saudi is more harsh

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
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This is the important bit.

they should be able to defend it with words, if they can't do that then they should renounce it.

[de_monies]

(Original post by DawnRaider)

You may not be aware but many moslems have been arrestesd and charged with conspiracy to commit murder - without actually getting a chance to do it.

So? Many non Muslims have been "arrestesd and charged with conspiracy to commit murder - without actually getting a chance to do it." as well

[tania<3]

God, give it a rest already... We get it, you don't like Islam, stop forcing your opinions on other people! I'm so sick of these anti-islamic threads on this site, I don't understand why people feel so great about spreading hate

[badcheesecrispy]

'There was also sympathy for the view that Muslim soldiers in the Armed Forces should be allowed to opt out of operations in Muslim countries, with 57 per cent agreeing.'

the majority of muslims want positive discrimination and more rights for musims in the army than non muslims. not surprising. this is just a safe predictment for them to vent their discriminatory views.

[ExMuslim]

Not surprised in the least bit. My family came to the Western world as political refugees, and were granted entry based on humanitarian grounds. We became American citizens, but yet I was always taught to hate and mistrust my fellow citizens because they were "kaffirs" which means infidels. The qu'ran says "Oh ye who believe, take not the Jews and Christians as friends for they conspire against you" Qur'an (5:51). Muslims believe that there can be no peace in the world except when Islam reigns supreme. The fact that some Muslims pay lip service to tolerance is largely because they are an economic, political, and numerical minority. Islam is innately a violence ideology and its followers are promised heaven if they kill or are killed in the name of Islam.

[NuckingFut]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
uyyou are the one bringing up naff statitistics for no reaon.

ive been saying all along you suggesting that no moslem have ever been caught plotting murder for islam - is wrong, straight up.

Tell me where I said that. Lying after having nothing else to say shows weakness.

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by waqarasim)
Happened in britain too, man was sent to prison for a year for a racist Facebook post!!
Same concept it's just Saudi is more harsh

except racism isnt the same as saying you dont agree with/believe in a 1700 year old dead guy