[ExMuslim]

Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

[Perseveranze]

A Non-Muslim telling us the truth of Islam again? Was expecting a bit more gore and violence. Also missed the "rape our women" part and of course, the deadly "taqiyya".

[tamimi]

Wow, another anti religion post. How original. Please carry on, you've enchanted me.

[The Polymath]

(Original post by ExMuslim)


Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

*sighs* Muslims vary in beliefs. The media focuses on the extremists, and people like you don't exactly help either. There is so much unnecessary hate for a religion which people don't even understand. Islam is totally different to how it's being portrayed.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
A Non-Muslim telling us the truth of Islam again? Was expecting a bit more gore and violence. Also missed the "rape our women" part.

You're a Muslim I trust, wouldn't you be willing to become shaheed to establish the law of Allah on Earth? if you deny this because of what others may think of you, then you are a coward so answer honestly now.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Junaid96)
*sighs* Muslims vary in beliefs. The media focuses on the extremists, and people like you don't exactly help either. There is so much unnecessary hate for a religion which people don't even understand. Islam is totally different to how it's being portrayed.

You are the typical ignorant Westerner. I was a Muslim and I know a lot about the religion. Islam taking over the world isn't a matter of opinion among Muslims, because according to the KORAN and HADITH which constitute the guiding literature of Islam, the word of Allah MUST become supreme above all else in the world. So the question is, for the sake of peace, will Muslims agree to ignore certain aspects of their faith, like moderate and liberal Christians have ignored the bloody thirsty parts of the OT and The book of revelations, etc.

[The Polymath]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
You are the typical ignorant Westerner. I was a Muslim and I know a lot about the religion. Islam taking over the world isn't a matter of opinion among Muslims, because according to the KORAN and HADITH which constitute the guiding literature of Islam, the word of Allah MUST become supreme above all else in the world. So the question is, for the sake of peace, will Muslims agree to ignore certain aspects of their faith, like moderate and liberal Christians have ignored the bloody thirsty parts of the OT and The book of revelations, etc.

I'm sorry, what? Ignorant Westerner? You do come up with some absolute trash don't you. I come from a Muslim family..

[killa78]

(Original post by ExMuslim)


Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

How many Muslims do you personally know that preach violence or condone suicide bombing?

Probably very few.
So please stop being stupid and acting like Muslims want to take the world over...

Nut jobs exist everywhere and will use religion as a shield.

[SaharaDesert]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
You are the typical ignorant Westerner. I was a Muslim and I know a lot about the religion. Islam taking over the world isn't a matter of opinion among Muslims, because according to the KORAN and HADITH which constitute the guiding literature of Islam, the word of Allah MUST become supreme above all else in the world. So the question is, for the sake of peace, will Muslims agree to ignore certain aspects of their faith, like moderate and liberal Christians have ignored the bloody thirsty parts of the OT and The book of revelations, etc.

I don't mean to be rude, but I very much doubt this after our discussion in the other thread.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
I don't mean to be rude, but I very much doubt this after our discussion in the other thread.

I'm sorry, but you didn't say anything of substance in the other thread. You took offense to my assertion that Muslims find comfort in the fact that they have God on their side, which kinda shows how ignorant you are.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by killa78)
How many Muslims do you personally know that preach violence or condone suicide bombing?

Probably very few.
So please stop being stupid and acting like Muslims want to take the world over...

Nut jobs exist everywhere and will use religion as a shield.

Personally? At least several members of my own biological family.

According to the Pew Research Center at least 1/3rd of Muslims support terrorism in the name of religion. And since their faith has 1.5 billion adherents, that's tens of millions of people right there.

Any other nonsense points you want to make?

[G8D]

Spread.

The same goal as all religion.

[Darth Stewie]

Islam is not going to take over the world, the threat of Islam as a potential world power ended with the fall of the Ottoman empire. Certain Islamic countries may become more influential as time passes however economical advances nearly always go hand in hand with social advances, usually away from religious fundamentalism. Extremism and Terrorism are a threat however not on the scale you seem to be suggesting and i highly doubt every Muslim is willing to blow themselves up because some dude in a dress tells them that's what their god wants.

In the future we will probably see a split in the Islamic world, certain countries will become more secular and retain Islam as their major religion (Turkey is a good example) and others will continue to endorse fundamentalist views and as a result remain behind the rest of the world.

Put simply countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia will never be in a position to actually launch a war against the world, even with a hypothetical united Islamic empire (extremely unlikely in this day and age) they would not be able to expand and would probably remain vastly behind the west and far east in terms of technological advances which is what counts in modern day warfare.

[Student296]

(Original post by ExMuslim)


Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

Your an 'Ex-Muslim' so why don't you just leave Muslims alone?

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by ExMuslim)


Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

Good source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_...ations_of_bias

"Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for The Guardian newspaper wrote in a public email debate with Carmon, that his problem with MEMRI was that it "poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation." [5] Earlier, Whitaker had charged that MEMRI's role was to "further the political agenda of Israel." and that MEMRI's website does not mention Carmon's employment for Israeli intelligence, or Meyrav Wurmser's political stance, which he described as an "extreme brand of Zionism." [3] Carmon responded to this by stating that his employment history is not a secret and was not political, as he served under opposing administrations of the Israeli government and that perhaps the issue was that he was Israeli: "If your complaint is that I am Israeli, then please say so." Camron also questioned Whitaker's own biases, wondering if Whitaker's is biased in favor of Arabs -as his website on the middle east is named "Al-Bab" ("The Gateway" in Arabic)- stating: "I wonder how you would judge an editor whose website was called "Ha-Sha-ar" ("The Gateway" in Hebrew)?[5]
MEMRI is one of several organizations that monitor and translate Arab news media. While the organization's translations are regularly quoted by major international newspapers, its work has generated strong criticism. Critics have accused MEMRI of often producing inaccurate translations with undue emphasis and selectivity and disseminating the most extreme views from Arabic and Persian media while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets."




"Several critics have accused MEMRI of selectivity. They state that MEMRI consistently picks for translation and dissemination the most extreme views, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets.[3][28][28][29][30] Juan Cole, Professor of Modern Middle East History at the University of Michigan, argues MEMRI has a tendency to "cleverly cherry-pick the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials...On more than one occasion I have seen, say, a bigoted Arabic article translated by MEMRI and when I went to the source on the web, found that it was on the same op-ed page with other, moderate articles arguing for tolerance."

[ya'aburnee]

Are you by any chance an Islamophobe posing as an ex-Muslim to give yourself the image of an 'insider'? Like a saviour to the world, to tell all the non-Muslims of the evil that is Islam. It's all one big dark secret.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
Islam is not going to take over the world, the threat of Islam as a potential world power ended with the fall of the Ottoman empire. Certain Islamic countries may become more influential as time passes however economical advances nearly always go hand in hand with social advances, usually away from religious fundamentalism. Extremism and Terrorism are a threat however not on the scale you seem to be suggesting and i highly doubt every Muslim is willing to blow themselves up because some dude in a dress tells them that's what their god wants.

In the future we will probably see a split in the Islamic world, certain countries will become more secular and retain Islam as their major religion (Turkey is a good example) and others will continue to endorse fundamentalist views and as a result remain behind the rest of the world.

Put simply countries like Iran or Saudi Arabia will never be in a position to actually launch a war against the world, even with a hypothetical united Islamic empire (extremely unlikely in this day and age) they would not be able to expand and would probably remain vastly behind the west and far east in terms of technological advances which is what counts in modern day warfare.

True, the Muslim world is hopelessly backward. In 2002, the GDP of all the Arab countries combined was less than that of Spain. And every year, more books are translated into Spanish than have been translated into Arabic since the 9th century. The Arab/Muslim world is finding itself increasingly backward economically and intellectually.

But the delusions of the Muslim world are as grand as their religious claims. I mean, they think that they have God himself on their side. So how hopeless the chance, they will try it. Nowadays Muslims can easily get a hold of biological and nuclear weaponry, and while they may never take over the world with them they can at least kill millions of disbelievers, an act which Allah promises paradise and a harem of "black eyed virgins".

What's to stop Muslims from trying to bring about an Islamic world through violent means? Rationality and the ability to critically think things over are not traits religious people generally have.

[koko298]

Why bother about what people's opinion bout what Islam is? Just read the holy book, Quran, isn't? There will be no answer to this cos everyone has different opinions and different views on what Islam is. I personally think any religion that lead you to be a better person is good and I believe If someones belief makes them a better person for themselves, let it be why bother?

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by ya'aburnee)
Are you by any chance an Islamophobe posing as an ex-Muslim to give yourself that image of an 'insider'? Like a saviour to the world, to tell all the non-Muslims of the evil that is Islam.

Spot on. I'm actually a Zionist agent working for Mossad.
So is Ayan Hirsi Ali

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Student296)
Your an 'Ex-Muslim' so why don't you just leave Muslims alone?

Because Islam is a violent ideology that is a threat to everything I hold dear in the world.