[Iqbal007]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
The survey was administered only to Muslims.

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SOURCE: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where...e-muslim-world

As you can see from the table above, support for suicide bombings against civilian targets is disturbingly high in Muslim countries. When these types of questions are posed to a western audience, support is in the low single digits.

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SOURCE:http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where...e-muslim-world

Support for Osama Bin Laden is also high in Muslim countries. In 2005, 52% of your compatriots in Pakistan, Iqbal, said they had confidence in the man who was responsible for the death of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. I doubt support has fallen much since then.


So as you can see, Iqbal, though you may ramble about Islam being a "religion of peace", the texts of your religion do not support your claim, the actions of your coreligionists like Osama do not support your claim, and more importantly neither does the data collected about your people. Compared to the rest of the world, Muslim nations are fertile breeding grounds for radical beliefs and that stems from your religion, Islam. I suggest instead of outright denying it that you guys take proactive steps to reform. You can start by totally renouncing violence and expunging all violent quranic verses and hadiths.

So technically that would been 70% don't support suicide bombings in Lebanon, it's 42% which isn't the majority.


"Most notably, the survey finds that terrorism is not a monolithic concept--support for terrorist activity depends importantly on its type and on the location in which it occurs. For example, Moroccans overwhelmingly disapprove of suicide bombings against civilians, but, among respondents in the six predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, they are the most likely to see it as a justifiable tactic against Americans and other westerners in Iraq. Opinions about the United States, its attitudes in dealing with the larger world and the Iraq war are also powerful factors in shaping support for terrorism, as are perceptions that Islam is under threat. With the exception of gender, demographic differences, including income, explain little if anything about attitudes toward terrorism in the Muslim world, but country-specific differences are significant, suggesting the importance of local social, political and religious conditions. "


Clearly it shows clear decline in support in reality and changing attitude.

"It is clear that across all three measures, support for terrorism has declined generally. However, it is also clear that levels of support vary across questions, suggesting that each measures a different facet of how people view terrorism."


You should really read the article you provide your stats on support for Osama.
"Similarly, those who believe that suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians are at least sometimes justifiable do not necessarily have confidence in Osama bin Laden. Again, results vary significantly by country, with 71% of Jordanian Muslims who believe violence against civilians can be justified also having confidence in bin Laden, compared with only 5% of Turks."

"As noted above, differences in opinions about terrorism have been linked not only to demographic variables, notably age and gender, but also to views about Islam, democracy, and the United States. Four sets of variables are used to explore whether these patterns are significant in the 2005 survey data.

Demographic variables - these include gender, age, education, and income, as well as whether a respondent has a child under age 18 living in the household and whether the respondent regularly uses a computer. Since measures for education and income differ across countries, for the purposes of analysis respondents are characterized as low or high education, and as low, middle, or high income.
Views about Islam - Both the academic literature and the popular press have emphasized links between terrorism and an extremist brand of Islam. Responses to three questions are used to explore any potential relationships between opinions on religion and terrorism. The first asks respondents whether their primary identity is as a Muslim or as a citizen of their country (Jordanian, Moroccan, etc.). The second asks how important it is that Islam plays a more influential role in the world than it does now. The third asks whether the respondent thinks there are any serious threats to Islam today.
Opinions about democracy - Two questions test these attitudes among respondents. The first asks whether democracy is a Western way of doing things that will not work in the respondent's country or if democracy is not just for the West and would work in their country. The second asks respondents if they are more optimistic or more pessimistic these days that the Middle East will become more democratic.
Attitudes toward the United States - In addition to a straightforward favorability question about the U.S., these measures include questions about: the extent to which the U.S. takes into account the interests of countries such as the respondent's country when making international policy decisions; how worried, if at all, respondents are that the American military will become a threat to their country; whether the war in Iraq has made the world safer or more dangerous; and whether the U.S. government favors or opposes democracy in the respondent's country.ii"


You also forget that there is only a very small of this extremist part plays any part of peoples reasons behind such support, you forgot about the demographic reasons, views of the US and opinions of democracy as also major factors behind their reason for such support.

So clearly with the article your provided, it goes against what you have just said about how Islam encourages this and so on. Yet the article clearly provides strong support of other reasons playing a strong part.

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/...Terrorism.aspx
http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/

There are numerous fatwas against terrorism.

[Pindar]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
The killing of non-believers in defense or advancement of the Islamic faith is not prohibited.

But that's the same of Christianity, Judaism, most political ideologies.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Stefan1991)
But that's the same of Christianity, Judaism, most political ideologies.

True. If you look at the bible it also sanctions attacks in the name of Christ, but in modern times Christians and Jews have been far less committed to adhering to those violent aspects of their religion than Muslims have. Islam still has not reformed.

[ExMuslim]

(Original post by Iqbal007)
So technically that would been 70% don't support suicide bombings in Lebanon, it's 42% which isn't the majority.


"Most notably, the survey finds that terrorism is not a monolithic concept--support for terrorist activity depends importantly on its type and on the location in which it occurs. For example, Moroccans overwhelmingly disapprove of suicide bombings against civilians, but, among respondents in the six predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, they are the most likely to see it as a justifiable tactic against Americans and other westerners in Iraq. Opinions about the United States, its attitudes in dealing with the larger world and the Iraq war are also powerful factors in shaping support for terrorism, as are perceptions that Islam is under threat. With the exception of gender, demographic differences, including income, explain little if anything about attitudes toward terrorism in the Muslim world, but country-specific differences are significant, suggesting the importance of local social, political and religious conditions. "


Clearly it shows clear decline in support in reality and changing attitude.

"It is clear that across all three measures, support for terrorism has declined generally. However, it is also clear that levels of support vary across questions, suggesting that each measures a different facet of how people view terrorism."


You should really read the article you provide your stats on support for Osama.
"Similarly, those who believe that suicide bombing and other attacks against civilians are at least sometimes justifiable do not necessarily have confidence in Osama bin Laden. Again, results vary significantly by country, with 71% of Jordanian Muslims who believe violence against civilians can be justified also having confidence in bin Laden, compared with only 5% of Turks."

"As noted above, differences in opinions about terrorism have been linked not only to demographic variables, notably age and gender, but also to views about Islam, democracy, and the United States. Four sets of variables are used to explore whether these patterns are significant in the 2005 survey data.

Demographic variables - these include gender, age, education, and income, as well as whether a respondent has a child under age 18 living in the household and whether the respondent regularly uses a computer. Since measures for education and income differ across countries, for the purposes of analysis respondents are characterized as low or high education, and as low, middle, or high income.
Views about Islam - Both the academic literature and the popular press have emphasized links between terrorism and an extremist brand of Islam. Responses to three questions are used to explore any potential relationships between opinions on religion and terrorism. The first asks respondents whether their primary identity is as a Muslim or as a citizen of their country (Jordanian, Moroccan, etc.). The second asks how important it is that Islam plays a more influential role in the world than it does now. The third asks whether the respondent thinks there are any serious threats to Islam today.
Opinions about democracy - Two questions test these attitudes among respondents. The first asks whether democracy is a Western way of doing things that will not work in the respondent's country or if democracy is not just for the West and would work in their country. The second asks respondents if they are more optimistic or more pessimistic these days that the Middle East will become more democratic.
Attitudes toward the United States - In addition to a straightforward favorability question about the U.S., these measures include questions about: the extent to which the U.S. takes into account the interests of countries such as the respondent's country when making international policy decisions; how worried, if at all, respondents are that the American military will become a threat to their country; whether the war in Iraq has made the world safer or more dangerous; and whether the U.S. government favors or opposes democracy in the respondent's country.ii"


You also forget that there is only a very small of this extremist part plays any part of peoples reasons behind such support, you forgot about the demographic reasons, views of the US and opinions of democracy as also major factors behind their reason for such support.

So clearly with the article your provided, it goes against what you have just said about how Islam encourages this and so on. Yet the article clearly provides strong support of other reasons playing a strong part.

http://www.cair.com/AmericanMuslims/...Terrorism.aspx
http://www.fatwaonterrorism.com/

There are numerous fatwas against terrorism.

I'll respond to this nonsense later. LOL @ the first sentence, 42% still means millions of supporters for suicide bombings against civilians. That's not a good thing.

[LucyJ12]

(Original post by ExMuslim)


Muslims divide the world into two: The House of Islam, and The House of War

Every place occupied by non Muslims is The House of War, and the name should give you an idea of the way Muslims intend to take those lands over. The ultimate temporal goal of Islam is to establish worldwide Islamic hegemony, and to either kill everyone who disbelieves or force them to pay jizzya and assume second class citizenship under an Islamic state. There are a billion Muslims in the world today, and some of them have nuclear weapons. How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace? Are Muslims willing to denounce people like the cleric in this video and forever give up violence jihad as an option? Please discuss.

Your name is funny. Random I know.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
I'll respond to this nonsense later. LOL @ the first sentence, 42% still means millions of supporters for suicide bombings against civilians. That's not a good thing.

This isn't nonsense at all, most those quotations came from your source.............yeah millions, population of Lebanon is 4.3 million.....it's about under 2.........2ndly its much lower than you put it out to be and 3rdly your article even states that an extremist view of Islam is only 1 of 4 reasons behind the views.

[farhiyaserar]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
His reasons for not believing are largely the result of ignorance and a misunderstanding of the scientific method. The ignorance he showcases really does discredit him as a serious intellectual. Taking advice from him is like taking advice from someone who believes that the Earth is flat.

well i don't believe in evolution, it doesn't make me ignorant. Like every being that believes in God, we know we all came from Adam and Eve.

[Gibbers]

(Original post by farhiyaserar)
well i don't believe in evolution, it doesn't make me ignorant. Like every being that believes in God, we know we all came from Adam and Eve.

Oh dear.

[Petro_99]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
Bro you obviously have become an Islam apologist. The quotes I provided are not from "extremists", they're from basic Islamic theology. They're from Allah and Muhammad themselves. If anyone was the extremist, its Muhammad. And I have a hard time understanding why you would respect a religion that would see you killed for leaving it. Seems like Stockholm syndrome.

stockholm syndrome- hilarous, actually had to google it!

thankfully i dont live under sharia law

i respect the elements that are common sense. i dont agree with how they are reached/ and the implications of certain actions, and the underlying purposes of existence and all the other crap.

and also, I regard hate as a product of religeon(s) themself, so if i develop the same attitude i become one of them really.

[farhiyaserar]

(Original post by Gibbers)
Oh dear.

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[Jiraya Sama]

This thread is still going? WOW

[Donw]

oh my, bloody hell, just live your life according to what ever you believe and leave all this religion hate etc there are bad people in every religion, but the media just dwells on the bad people making an entire majority look bad.

[damidude]

(Original post by member910132)
No, the goal of every Muslim is to get close to Allah and achieve inner Peace but Islam (the state) has to rule the world or atleast make an effort to rule the world, how else. An anyone explain Muhammad attacking the Romans and Persians in their own land ?


This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

Don't you understand that inner peace is completely separate from what you just described? Muslim people do not need to rule the world for you to have inner peace.

[member910132]

(Original post by damidude)
Don't you understand that inner peace is completely separate from what you just described? Muslim people do not need to rule the world for you to have inner peace.

I didn't say there has to be a correlation between the two, but I would imagine that muslims would find more innner peace in a country ruled by Islamic Law than a democratic one. Mainly because they could hear all 5 calls to prayer, most of them would probably pray in the mosque most of the 5 times, you wouldn't find the street/billboards filled with naked women, interest and insurance wouldn't be as widespread and so on..

Don't take my word for it, look at what your own scholars have written about Islam and the Life of the Prophet (pbuh). After establishing a base in Madinah he often went to other lands and started what is known as "offensive jihad" in order to spread the law of Allah.

[Einheri]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
How can we reconcile this radical beliefs of theirs with our attempts to bring about genuine worldwide peace?

I LOLed.

[Christianlady]

(Original post by ExMuslim)
If you look at the bible it also sanctions attacks in the name of Christ,

Hello ExMuslim,

This is not true. Jesus specifically teaches people to love even their enemies.

Luke 6 - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...06&version=NIV
(I boldened some.)

"27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.

32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.


37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Jesus did not kill anyone who disagreed with him. Jesus did not teach his apostles and disciples to kill anyone who did not believe in him. Rather, Jesus focused on his faithful followers' belief. (John 6:66-69).

Jesus taught that the 2 most important commandments are #1: to love God (Matthew 22:37-38) and #2 love your neighbor (Matthew 22:39-40). When people who call themselves Christians do not love, but instead persecute and kill others, they are not obeying Jesus' commands.

Peace and God bless you