[Theoneoranro]

(Original post by Aethra)
You are sick.

And aren't you sick for eating animals which have been killed? The only difference is the halal riyal lasts a few minutes longer. You sick person. As I said those animals facing the halal rural wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for the people who eat halal meat because there would be no farms to breed them. Now I'm off to get some of my halal meat, I'm going to watch it face the ritual and I'll laugh while it's being slaughtered and I don't even have to eat halal meat, I'm just doing it as a choice.

[rockrunride]

(Original post by Aethra)
Eating meat is natural for humans, but that doesn't mean we have to be deliberately cruel to them. The desire to be deliberately cruel says a lot about the people who are.

Deliberately cruel? Raising an animal with the sole intention of killing and eating it for its taste must be kind then, mustn't it! It's equally natural for humans to use their sentient faculty to seek alternative sources. You can't justify standard meat preparation over halal preparation on the basis of nature.

[Aethra]

(Original post by rockrunride)
Deliberately cruel? Raising an animal with the sole intention of killing and eating it for its taste must be kind then, mustn't it! It's equally natural for humans to use their sentient faculty to seek alternative sources. You can't justify standard meat preparation over halal preparation on the basis of nature.

It's simply a question of choice. We should be told if something may contain halal, so we can choose not to buy it.

[PrismaticCore]

(Original post by Aethra)
It's simply a question of choice. We should be told if something may contain halal, so we can choose not to buy it.

Therefore, instead of trying to argue the fact that Halal meat is such a terrible concept, shouldn't you be arguing the fact that it's unfair how unclear shops and restaurants are being?

And if you were to bear in mind that Islam was unveiled in the 7th Century when hygiene standards weren't as high as the ones we have and poverty was still pretty high, you'd realise that draining an animal of all its blood is actually a very wise thing to do. Blood is full of pathogens (hence why in hospitals they make a big deal out of it being cleared up) and when you're faced with little water or fuel to cook it properly, getting rid of all the blood is the best measure you have against infection.

Having said that, though, you're arguing the case that the way in which halal meat is obtained is immoral. If you think about it, you're cutting off pretty much all its nerve endings and it dies pretty damn quickly (as is the case when you cut someone's neck/throat). So no, it's not really a 'slow and painful death'.

[When you see it...]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
I dont eat meat

Then you may be interested to know that our food is also contaminated with non-labelled non-halal meat.
http://www.albalagh.net/halal/col1.shtml
Even drinks which are officially meat-free may have had meat products used as a fining agent. For example, even though Coke is vegetarian, the reason why it is not labelled so on the bottle is because the manufacturer is legally allowed to use finings to 'rescue' over-cloudy batches (it says so at the bottom of the below link). This too does not have to be labelled - they are merely not allowed to declare their product vegetarian, but it is still implied despite containing animal products.
http://www.veggiewines.co.uk/popularmixers.htm
Also, alcohol is pretty much always manufactured using animal products:
http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/food/drinks/

[Theoneoranro]

LOL I jut realised how stupid this whole thing is, it's exactly like shooting someone to death instead of stabbing them to death because you think it's more moral LMFAO!
Silly little girl.

[G550NDH]

(Original post by cl_steele)
who cares? it doesnt effect the taste or anything else for that matter to do with it ?

ritually cut meat is prohibited in sikhism so sikhs should be told whether the meat they eat is halal/kosher or not

[Riderz]

What made me laugh t'other day on TV was a bit about pizza takeaways. Apparently 6/10 of the most popular pizza toppings contain ham, but Halal takeaways cannot serve ham as its against their religion. So 9/10 sampled pizza restaurants were using a turkey based substitute but labeling it ham!!!

Each to their own and all that, but if you're going to say HAM at least put ****ing HAM on the pizza.

[Ursin]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
I dont eat meat

Yep, that tends to work in order to avoid all this fuss

[tazarooni89]

(Original post by Riderz)
What made me laugh t'other day on TV was a bit about pizza takeaways. Apparently 6/10 of the most popular pizza toppings contain ham, but Halal takeaways cannot serve ham as its against their religion. So 9/10 sampled pizza restaurants were using a turkey based substitute but labeling it ham!!!

Each to their own and all that, but if you're going to say HAM at least put ****ing HAM on the pizza.

They're still allowed to label it "ham", because it is actually ham from a turkey.
"Ham" is just a slice of meat from an animal's hind legs - it doesn't necessarily have to be from a pig.

It's similar to the fact that shops can sell goat milk and still call it "milk", even though it came from a goat (rather than from a cow, as usual).

[Alxndra]

The way I see it, serving halal meat to people who don't agree with/don't want it is as bad as serving non-halal meat to muslims.

We should be able to make an informed choice about what foods we buy. Period.

[Alxndra]

(Original post by tazarooni89)
They're still allowed to label it "ham", because it is actually ham from a turkey.
"Ham" is just a slice of meat from an animal's hind legs - it doesn't necessarily have to be from a pig.

It's similar to the fact that shops can sell goat milk and still call it "milk", even though it came from a goat (rather than from a cow, as usual).

When the majority of people associate ham with meat from a pig, it's wrong to label it as that. It's false advertising.

[Blackburn_Allen]

(Original post by placebo24)
Pretty sure it's been proven that it's no more painful than 'normal' methods of slaughter. What really pisses me off with these stupid threads are that the OP usually just detests halal in an islamophobic sense rather than in an animal rights one. I'm vegan and see nothing worse about halal and if you truly cared about the animals you wouldn't eat meat.

/rant

Where have you got this idea that one form of slaughter is less painful than another? I will take a huge stab in the dark and say any animal that undergoes these acts of slaughter are now dead and, therefore, finding out which way of execution is preferable is impossible. The argument that it is less painful is stupid.

Secondly, I don't see why everyone is hating on this girl. I agree that her dislike for the Halal slaughter method is overshadowing her actual argument, but the original point still stands. If non-Halal meat was being served in a restaurant that bore the Halal sign then the Muslims within that community would be in uproar; it would be an act of "Islamaphobia" (horrible word). So why is it any different for those that don't agree with Halal? Quite frankly, I think it is sickening that certain food outlets aren't publicly displaying that their meat is Halal. It is as if there is one rule for one and another for another. And the fact that everyone is saying it doesn't matter just goes to show the mindset of the general populace at the moment - as long as we don't insult Islam, we are okay. You can insult or degrade everyday members of the public, even lie to them if the situation is needed but never, ever, ever dare to insult Islam and its practices.

Pathetic.

[AntisthenesDogger]

The method of Halal killing is to have a deep incision cut on the throat, slicing the carotid artery, jugular and wind pipe, the spinal cord is specifically left un-touched.

So whomever said they cut the spinal cord is wrong, and yes Halal killing would be more painful I imagine than that of "modern" methods of butchering, and yeah the fact the animal is left to hang and exsanguinate would actually affect the taste.

[cl_steele]

(Original post by G550NDH)
ritually cut meat is prohibited in sikhism so sikhs should be told whether the meat they eat is halal/kosher or not

i was more reffering to the OPs point about the supposed cruelty of it and from an athiest prospective but fair point none the less.

[Aysena]

(Original post by mcs31)
Im fairly sure that Halal meat is killed in a very humane way.
If I can remember correctly, the animal is killed so the spinal cord is cut first. That means it feels no pain because all connections to the brain are cut off. I'm sure most modern places would also do that with the non-halal common practice of electrocuting the animal too.

But I digress, if you're so fussed just ask before you buy.

That's true the animal feels no pain. I wonder where they get that idea that it's cruel, it's ridiculous! Why make a deal out of it?

[SaharaDesert]

If it bothers people so much, I am sure supermarkets can just stick a label on the meat to distinguish between halal and non-halal. I don't know where you guys live, but that is what the supermarkets in my area already do.

I thought it was the same everywhere, until I read this thread.

[weirdnessandcoffee]

Quite a few nandos have halal as well.

[alex5455]

(Original post by waqarasim)
if only you knew basic biology or anatomy. sliting throat cuts nerves and conections to the brain so the animal feels no pain and dies instantly.
quickest and painless death, how is that inhumane

haha, i know advanced biology, kind of needed when you do a degree in it eh?. now to someone whos not indoctrinated by religion those nerves are in the SPINAL CORD which is not severed by cutting the throat so the animal still feels everything due to NOT BEING STUNNED. if only you knew basic biology and anatomy then you wouldnt have made a fool of yourself

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by Aethra)
I happen to believe that halal is needlessly cruel, and I want the choice of knowing if the food I buy might be halal or not. That's all. It's all about choice.

It is my personal opinion that british people should be more worried about humans being slaughtered in iraq and afghanistan and palestine, humans who do not have to be slaughtered to provide you with food...