[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by Digital Jester)
I don't buy into any religion, but the times I have knowingly eaten Halal meat, it has tasted noticeably better to me. Especially chip shop Kebab meat. I've never had bad kebab meat from shops that serve halal meat, but I've had meat thats bad to the point of being inedible from regular shops more times than I'd like.

The "tastes better" argument is a myth. It just so happens that the places you've been to do nicer food than others. A takeaway could make a lump of turd taste nice if they packed it full of monosodium gluatmate.

[FatCharlie]

(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
The "tastes better" argument is a myth. It just so happens that the places you've been to do nicer food than others. A takeaway could make a lump of turd taste nice if they packed it full of monosodium gluatmate.

Do you have a link to that study?

Edit: Yes negging me for asking for the sources of something the previous poster have stated as facts totally makes sense.

[Ryan_94]

(Original post by tomp33)
Yes I do define our culture. I define it as a primarily CHRISTIAN country (myself, I am atheist) and halal meat should be served far less than it is,
And it is my country, compared to those **** head middle eastern people who. One and claim benefits, also, how do you know anything about who my family are and how much we contribute??
Actually I am forced to eat it, shops, restaurants and school serve it to name but a few. I shouldn't have to not eat out just because sme foreigners are taking over.

Oh and generations, 20+ is as far as documented

By your own definition you don't belong in this country and are as ineligible as the "**** head middle eastern people". SO GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY, GRRR.

Oh and by the way, nice one for AGAIN assuming an incorrect correlation between two unrelated variable. Not every person in the middle-east is a Muslim and/or eats Halal meat.

Also remember you're NOT FORCED and, if you ever are, I suggest you report such abuse to the authorities - considering that you are actually aware of the concept of "being forced" of course, otherwise you may embarrass yourself terribly.

For **** sake if you're gonna bother posting at least think of something that is not completely xenophobic and uneducated to say.

My statement about you and your family is simple:

A tiny percentage of the population of the United Kingdom has a large impact and/or control over the operation of said country. Given the fact you post on TSR and have completely uneducated, back-dated, xenophobic and mostly unfounded views I can only assume you're not one of these top politicians or leaders. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[akipid]

(Original post by alex5455)
wrong wrong wrong see the rest of the thread for descriptions of why

What is wrong?

[frankieboy]

(Original post by tomp33)
Lol, sadly I'm not feeling up to scratch today, got sent home puking up so excuse my slight ignorance with my words and I do know the difference.

Well you're either "ignorant" or you "know the difference" - make your mind up.
If, indeed, you are ignorant (your words not mine) then I think that says a lot for your "top 10" school, no?

(Original post by tomp33)
And my country means that it is the country where I live you douche, "my" not as in singular possessive but "my" as in the one where I was born and originate from. I believe people call their home country/citizenship country "my country" sometimes, its like you call your school "my school". You do not own it but you attend it.

1 : "Douche" ? Not only is that an unecessary insult, it also makes you sound like you're using feeble American slang. Another thing I would have thought you'd avoided in a "top 10 school". I'll return the insult, except my choice of word will be "prat" when referring to you. I notice you insuted someone else earlier in the thread by calling them a "dickwad" - equally as laughable and unecessary.
This "top 10 school" you go to isn't really getting many positive marks here, is it? Do they not teach you how to debate without insulting people?

2 : If (in your words again) it's not in fact "your" country but only the country that you happen to live and you don't "own" it as such then stop making statements about immigrants. You quite simply don't have the right. Shut up and appreciate the priveleges this country offers you. And maybe learn a thing or two about people who are less fortunate than yourself. Perhaps your "top 10 school" could help you with that, when they're not turning you into the next obnoxious money-orientated self satisfied David Cameron clone, that is.

(Original post by tomp33)
Clearly you are running out of good arguments and resort to nit-picking about things which are irrelevant to the subject.

I've made my arguments. So yeah, pending any further developments, in a sense I have "run out", you're correct. And as far as these things being "irrelevant" - I disagree. Your illiteracy rather detracts from the gravitas of your argument somewhat. Both about this country and about this laughable excuse for a "top 10 school "that you go to.

"Top 10 school" - mentioning that really backfired on you didn't it. Poor sod.

One last point - I wish you a speedy recovery from your stomach bug. I'm sorry to hear that you're not well.

[U.Ahmed]

(Original post by GStevens)
Hardly likely as the overwhelming flavour is salt. If you are eating KFC it is unlikely that you have a palate capable of telling the difference anyway.

Come on, you can do better than that!

[I.LoveSyria.Aleppo]

(Original post by GStevens)
Love the lack of logical processes displayed on this website.

Most of our food is produced in a factory process, big volume brings economies and bigger profits.

If our meat has to be produced by different processes for different markets we are reducing the volumes through any particular process.
With the rise in demand for halal meat in western countries the supermarkets would not want to have two supply chains and the farms would not want to have two preperation chains. While those who want halal are often careful about checking the origins those who don't are quite nonchalant. I have no idea if the op's claims are true or not but it would make sense for a slaughterhouse to put all of its animals through one process, particularly if one set of customers wasn't concerned.

The reason some of the meat wouldn't be labelled as halal is because this would alert the non halal consumer to the extra cruelty over and above that used in the slaughtering process and once presented with the evidence they tend to be squeamish. It's really not rocket science.

seem legit

[Safiyyah95]

(Original post by tomp33)
Its inhumane, you just let the animal bleed in pain?!?!
And also, why sohuld I eat your blessed meat, they should make halal a special option, much like veggie food rather than force me to eat it.

You obviously chose to ignore what I said. It's what I believe. I think it's wrong, like any human being should, to try and force my beliefs on anyone. We all have a choice.

[tomp33]

(Original post by frankieboy)
Well you're either "ignorant" or you "know the difference" - make your mind up.
If, indeed, you are ignorant (your words not mine) then I think that says a lot for your "top 10" school, no?



1 : "Douche" ? Not only is that an unecessary insult, it also makes you sound like you're using feeble American slang. Another thing I would have thought you'd avoided in a "top 10 school". I'll return the insult, except my choice of word will be "prat" when referring to you. I notice you insuted someone else earlier in the thread by calling them a "dickwad" - equally as laughable and unecessary.
This "top 10 school" you go to isn't really getting many positive marks here, is it? Do they not teach you how to debate without insulting people?

2 : If (in your words again) it's not in fact "your" country but only the country that you happen to live and you don't "own" it as such then stop making statements about immigrants. You quite simply don't have the right. Shut up and appreciate the priveleges this country offers you. And maybe learn a thing or two about people who are less fortunate than yourself. Perhaps your "top 10 school" could help you with that, when they're not turning you into the next obnoxious money-orientated self satisfied David Cameron clone, that is.



I've made my arguments. So yeah, pending any further developments, in a sense I have "run out", you're correct. And as far as these things being "irrelevant" - I disagree. Your illiteracy rather detracts from the gravitas of your argument somewhat. Both about this country and about this laughable excuse for a "top 10 school "that you go to.

"Top 10 school" - mentioning that really backfired on you didn't it. Poor sod.

One last point - I wish you a speedy recovery from your stomach bug. I'm sorry to hear that you're not well.

Aww bless, you must have such a ****ty life. Yup, David Cameron is such as **** isn't he?? He's prime minister, very rich and has some good ideas.
Stop talking about my school like you have a clue, and what do you know about how much I know about people less fortunate than myself?? How is that relevant in any way??
Just because we are not all low-lifes with no prospects like yourself. You need to learn how to respect people more fortunate of you and not insulting aspects of their lives you are clearly rather jealous of.

[FatCharlie]

(Original post by tomp33)
x

Now you just got 4 other people to reply to as well.

[blueray]

Shouldn't eat meat and you wouldn't have this problem in the first place

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by Jennybean)
On the contrary - I know for a fact that most of the drugs I prescribe daily have been tested on animals. I am totally ok with that. I think the reason you are having to use your imagination about animal testing is because, like pretty much everything else you've expressed an opinion on, you have no actual knowledge or experience save what somebody else has told you on the internet.

Not quite. I know what has gone on in the name of animal research through my research at university. Nice to see you're for animal testing, presumably on any grounds, despite its methodological flaws, than against Halal slaughter. Kind of reminds me when meat eaters suffer a moral panic over the issue of zoophilia/bestiality when the issue of consent crops up, yet such an issue is irrelevant when it's a matter for your stomachs.

(Original post by Jennybean)
Hint: repeating your opinions does not show you to be correct, you actually need to provide evidence to support your beliefs. We fundamentally disagree over the appropriate use of animals, that is not going to change. If you are truly against the responsible use of zoos and captive wildlife collections for protection of endangered species, education and conservation efforts, then there is something quite seriously wrong with you.

I do not see the need to protect endangered species as a matter of principle. Why should I suddenly give a damn when an animal is about to become extinct whilst others aren't? I do not see animals as tools for my enjoyment so I will not take such a speciesist view. Education? Books. I can learn about animals that way, Oxford University Press publish enough books for me to learn about animals in more ways than visiting a zoo. I don't have to visit a zoo to see what a panda looks like.

(Original post by Jennybean)
I'm not sure if you read it correctly before but I'm a VET. That means I, you know, work in a vet surgery. I sort of do vet stuff? Like, I know more about it than you? And, ya know, deal with the problem of ignorance and irresponsible pet ownership every single day of my life? For your information and reassurance though, very few healthy animals are euthanised in the UK, because most vets aren't natural born killers.

You mean you fix replacement babies/kids toys like many dogs and cats are deemed to be? Lots of scientists lack philosophy knowledge and it's showing. Read up on Peter Singer, Tom Regan and Joan Dunayer and get back to me.

[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Not quite. I know what has gone on in the name of animal research through my research at university. Nice to see you're for animal testing, presumably on any grounds, despite its methodological flaws, than against Halal slaughter. Kind of reminds me when meat eaters suffer a moral panic over the issue of zoophilia/bestiality when the issue of consent crops up, yet such an issue is irrelevant when it's a matter for your stomachs.

Are you against animal testing? Would you volunteer yourself to be tested on instead?

[internetguru]

Then become a vegetarian you animal killing supporter scum!

[frankieboy]

(Original post by tomp33)
Aww bless, you must have such a ****ty life.

Eh? Where the heck did that come from? Clutching at straws?

(Original post by tomp33)
He's prime minister, very rich and has some good ideas.

Two of these things are true. One isn't.

(Original post by tomp33)
and not insulting aspects of their lives you are clearly rather jealous of.

*** MASSIVE FACEPALM *** oh dear it's the trendy "jealous" card. Cookie cutter response devoid of any real thought.

You sound like a walking cliche. I think my guess of you sounding like a little obnoxious mini Cameron in the making was pretty close to the mark.

[Scumbaggio]

(Original post by U.Ahmed)
Did you run out of topics to criticise Islam about or what?

And regrading the taste, I go to KFC with my friends all the time, and not once has any of them mentioned that there was any difference in the taste of Halal and Non-Halal Chicken.

Maybe they can't tell the difference.

There is a difference though.

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by Ayshizzle)
Are you against animal testing? Would you volunteer yourself to be tested on instead?

I'm a vegan so yes I am against a lot of things. I wouldn't mind anyone finding Halal slaughter inhumane but fishing is no different and to be okay with animal testing but against Halal is a bit odd considering some of the grave methods used in animal testing. I'm against animal testing on several grounds.

[kbilly]

Halal meat should most definitely be labelled because it offends Christians, Jews and Sikhs who would much prefer not to eat meat that has been sacrificed in the name of an idol, just like it would offend a Muslim if they were to eat any meat that was non-halal.
And yet this society is so enthusiasticly scrutinising about equality... How can that be equal, when the whole system is blatantly and undeniably geared towards Islam?

[kbilly]

(Original post by HeavyTeddy)
I understand with other religions it is quite iffy, and they do have a right to know. Though I really don't understand how atheists can complain? If they don't believe in God, then whether the meat is slaughtered in a certain way surely doesn't matter to them. I think it's just for the sake of complaining because they don't like Islam to begin with, and tbh if that is what it is, I'd rather they say it than make up sad excuses.

If their was ever a definition of 'hitting the nail on the head', you just confirmed it

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by kbilly)
Halal meat should most definitely be labelled because it offends Christians, Jews and Sikhs who would much prefer not to eat meat that has been sacrificed in the name of an idol, just like it would offend a Muslim if they were to eat any meat that was non-halal.
And yet this society is so enthusiasticly scrutinising about equality... How can that be equal, when the whole system is blatantly and undeniably geared towards Islam?

Massive faux-pas there.

And as a Hindu I can say that you don't speak for me in that it didn't bother me in slightest whenever I eat halal meat (back in my meat-eating days as I'm now a vegetarian). Infact I'd say the meat was tastier (with most of the blood removed).

Also either way an animal is being killed and having watched animals be slaughtered by both methods I'd say neither is a kinder method than the other. If it really bothers you that an animal is being killed then don't eat meat.

But as someone else pointed out this is just another excuse for the closet xenophobes/islamaphobes to get irate and rant constantly.

Halal meat is clearly labelled in all outlets it's sold mainly for the benefit of muslim customers so that they actually know it's halal meat. If it didn't have a label on it then simply put it, it isn't halal so this argument about halal food not being labelled is pure rubbish. You need to get out more and read the packaging or menus and you'll clearly see halal labelled or even the halal arabic writing.

Also Halal is not the name given for the slaughter of the meat I think that term is Dhabia (I may have spelt that wrong). Halal is an expression that simply translates to permissable/acceptable. So technically most foods on the market are halal and permissable by Islamic dietary laws so if you're worried about contamination then you best go on a fast.