[jaadau121]

(Original post by James82)
The only reason the animal would have a higher blood pressure before the slit is if the animal were distressed, and then it wouldn't be halal would it?

Normal, without stunning the pressure is NORMAL. With stunning the pressure is low at the point of slitting the throat.

For the umpteenth time NORMAL.

[Transcendence]

(Original post by Aethra)
How can we do something about this, because I find it disgusting. A very large proportion of the food we buy has halal meat in it, completely unlabelled. Most New Zealand lamb sold in the UK is now, apparently, halal, and so is KFC. Many other outlets are following suit, without even telling us. Surely, if it's ok to tell customers that something is definitely halal, we should also be informed when something definitely isn't, because I for one don't want to eat anything that's been deliberately slaughtered in the cruellest way imaginable by letting it bleed to death while still conscious.

For once I agree with somebody on this forum. I don't see any reason to let the animal suffer if you are going to kill it anyway. The animals are born, and live in confinement their entire lives for the sole purpose of feeding us; we could at least give them a clean death, out of respect. Also hate that these Muslim ideals are spreading across this Christian country, we shouldn't let them.

[James82]

(Original post by VETwannabe)
is anyone else sick of ignorant people attacking other people's religions?
i'll just go now before i'm tempted to get sucked into this pointless argument!
have fun arguing everyone!

Is anyone else sick of ignorant people attacking science and reason with their outdated religious ideas?

[James82]

(Original post by jaadau121)
Normal, without stunning the pressure is NORMAL. With stunning the pressure is low at the point of slitting the throat.

For the umpteenth time NORMAL.

The only reason it is for the umpteenth time is because you keep quoting the same post, and where is the evidence that stunning reduces blood pressure? Not that it matters, because gravity does it's work on both halal and non-halal meat by draining it of all but a small amount of residue blood.

[James82]

(Original post by Shafski)
Seriously, your arguement is just damn invalid

No idea who you're talking about, try quoting the poster on future.

[FatCharlie]

(Original post by James82)
I think you'll find that many people on TSR have problems with Israel's position over Palestine and the fact that they supported Argentina during the Falklands war, which they will air very aggressively. There are going to be culture clashes between different religious groups, it's a fact of life, and due to the fact there are many times more muslims in the UK than jews it comes as no surprise that when it comes to UK issues that muslims are targeted more purely because of their numbers.

Yes, but finding the Israel-Palestine troubling and having opinions about that, has nothing to do with the religion itself now does it?

So you don't think it has anything to do with that if you are "anti-jewish" you are compared to a nazi and that it's more taboo to have negative opinions about jews and Judaism in general? That it's okay to dislike Muslims because of "all those terrorists"...?

[James82]

(Original post by FatCharlie)
Yes, but finding the Israel-Palestine troubling and having opinions about that, has nothing to do with the religion itself now does it?

Neither does finding inhumane slaughter troubling and having opinions about that.

(Original post by FatCharlie)
So you don't think it has anything to do with that if you are "anti-jewish" you are compared to a nazi and that it's more taboo to have negative opinions about jews and Judaism in general? That it's okay to dislike Muslims because of "all those terrorists"...?

I can't speak for others, but for me it makes no difference, I couldn't give a stuff what religion people are.

[JamalAhmed]

(Original post by Aethra)
It's needlessly cruel and it does affect the taste, too, since halal meat has had all the blood drained out while the animal was still alive and conscious.

Do you have any proof that it alters the taste?

[JamalAhmed]

Muslims can eat kosher as well, just saying...(obviously they can't if there is wine involved but otherwise, it's permissible)

[JamalAhmed]

Muslims can eat kosher as well, just saying...(obviously they can't if there is wine involved but otherwise, it's permissible)

And Halal food is stunned when it is made in the UK

Evidence: http://www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.php

[jaadau121]

If this was about kosher and jews, it would be called anti semitic and closed down.

[James82]

(Original post by JamalAhmed)
And Halal food is stunned when it is made in the UK

Evidence: http://www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.php

No it's not, did you even read the article you quoted as evidence?

[James82]

(Original post by jaadau121)
If this was about kosher and jews, it would be called anti semitic and closed down.

No it wouldn't, there are other threads against kosher slaughter, try using the search function. Being against inhumane slaughter doesn't mean you are being anti-islam or anti-judaism.

[James82]

(Original post by JamalAhmed)
Muslims can eat kosher as well, just saying...(obviously they can't if there is wine involved but otherwise, it's permissible)

Only on the same basis that they can eat anything non-halal, by necessity.

[jaadau121]

(Original post by James82)
Only on the same basis that they can eat anything non-halal, by necessity.

Er no not quite, if halal meat is not available and you WANT to (ie not a necessity) you can eat kosher, because like halal, kosher is also throughly drained of blood.

[jaadau121]

(Original post by James82)
No it wouldn't, there are other threads against kosher slaughter, try using the search function. Being against inhumane slaughter doesn't mean you are being anti-islam or anti-judaism.

No there aren't

[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by JamalAhmed)
Do you have any proof that it alters the taste?

I don't think there is any tbh, apart from people's opinions. I never found a difference with the taste. Maybe it's in people's heads? Like the difference between Coke and Pepsi

[FatCharlie]

(Original post by Ayshizzle)
I don't think there is any tbh, apart from people's opinions. I never found a difference with the taste. Maybe it's in people's heads? Like the difference between Coke and Pepsi

Hey, there IS a distinct difference in taste between Coke and Pepsi! Me and my mates have done several blind tests and I can taste the difference when given a Pepsi after asking for Coke at restaurants!

[James82]

(Original post by jaadau121)
Er no not quite, if halal meat is not available and you WANT to (ie not a necessity) you can eat kosher, because like halal, kosher is also throughly drained of blood.

Kosher and Halal are drained of blood just like any other meat, by your logic all meat except for offal would be acceptable to muslims because all meat is drained of blood, there is more to halal than the meat just being drained of blood.

[James82]

(Original post by jaadau121)
No there aren't

Um, yes there are, just search for 'kosher slaughter' there are results on the first page and many examples of threads criticising kosher slaughter if you browse through the other pages of the search results.