[Narutopolaris]

Actually, I think you'll find that by cutting the throat with a sharp knife, the jugular vein is cut, meaning a quick and painless death (relative to stunning by electricity or being killed by a brick dropped on the head). By removing/draining the blood, several bacteria (E coli) for example are removed- it has to be removed you see because when the animal passes away, its defence mechanism fails and the pathogens begin to multiply. Remember Mad Cow Disease? That was a disease that could have been transmitted to humans (i think). Lastly, would you enjoy drinking the blood of someone else (vampires will) ? I severly doubt that, so why drink the blood of animals? Peace out!

[ArtGoblin]

The only reason people care about Halal meat is because they don't have to give anything up. If they really cared about the treatment of animals they would become vegetarian or vegan because the animal still suffers whichever way it is killed. It's easy to complain about if you're still going to continue to eat what you want.

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by cl_steele)
the only difference is halal slaughtered animals arent stunned, which involved shooting them in the head with a bolt gun, neither are humane and as i said it makes no difference to be quite honest.

They're not shot, they have to do it EXACTLY the same way it was done 1500 years ago. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure in 600AD bolt guns didn't exist.

[cl_steele]

(Original post by Rainingshame)
They're not shot, they have to do it EXACTLY the same way it was done 1500 years ago. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure in 600AD bolt guns didn't exist.

considering i never said that they used bolt guns in the halal slaughter processi cant really disagree with you can i ?

[alex5455]

(Original post by wasiim)
'tell you what why dont we cut your throat without you having any form of stunning and you tell us if it hurts, it will. why can we do the same to animals.

as a vegetarian i disagree with killing animals at all but if we have to kill them at least stun them first'

This post i like the most he would rather be stunned than have his throat cut?! poor guy well get stunned? and tell us if you like a little tingle in your body before you die! not to mention the internal burns that can be caused whilst electric is being passed through flesh. Well if you seen an animal being slaughtered, which i have! you begin to realize that yes ofcourse bloods going to come out and that's because the constant contraction of muscle's is causing just about all of the blood to come out. there's a reason behind that! i don't know about you but id rather eat meat that's got just about no blood in it rather than one that's been sizzling whilst it was electrocuted and erghh blood and all sorts of impurities in there.

which brings us on to the second point what kind of impurities would lie in an animals blood? its really funny how there's places on the internet that question religious practices but on here all you see mostly is religions such as mine being constantly bombarded with stereotypical and misinformed views.

it just goes to show how you think of others, there's another discussion on here
'ultimate goal of Islam' hahaha really posting one stupid video depicts what my whole religion is about? its always about being equal and fair in this country but i guess for people such as yourself an exception was made?

Then you think we go to the Masjid and learn all sorts of stupid things some f**ked up individual has told you. but have you ever been to a masjid and seen things for yourself? or asked a good Muslim what things you don't understand about our religion really mean?

discussions like this are stupid, piety arguments really. its bitching. One of the greatest men in Islam Hazrat Umar R.A, during his time as Amir of the Muslim Ummah ALLOWED other religions to coexist within the community along side Islam. Muslims are not thought to bad mouth other religions and their practices but to respect them and the people following them.

what a poorly worded and mostly incomprehensible post.

as ive explained to you, cutting throat = not painless bleeding to death while fully conscious and aware whats going on, stunned = know nothing about it i know which id take. youre just an indoctrinated fool. No impurities would be in an animals blood, do you know nothing about biology? blood and tissue fludi exchange freely my god do gcse biology before you try and argue this with me.

i had nothing to do with that "ultimate goal of islam thread" so how about you dont accuse me of stuff yeah? i dont care in the slightest about youre religion as long as its not affecting me, and cruelly slaughtering animals is affecting me so im hardly "stereotypical and misinformed" im obviously considerably cleverer than you.

everyone has a right to co-exist peacefully just because one guy allowed it, what about all the other islamic countries with no religious freedom?

go learn some basic biology and english then we can talk. fool

[y-y]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
If it bothers people so much, I am sure supermarkets can just stick a label on the meat to distinguish between halal and non-halal. I don't know where you guys live, but that is what the supermarkets in my area already do.

I thought it was the same everywhere, until I read this thread.

That's what I've been thinking, unless everyone here is illiterate

[alex5455]

(Original post by Aysena)
That's true the animal feels no pain. I wonder where they get that idea that it's cruel, it's ridiculous! Why make a deal out of it?

That is not true. go learn biology instead of relying on your ancient storybook

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by Midnight-Sky-Blue)
It's stupid when people argue against the need to state if something is halal or not - it's just common sense that we should be told so that we can make our own informed decisions. If people don't want to eat halal meat, at least they can choose to avoid it. I know that I personally prefer to avoid halal meat as I believe that while the method of killing was the most humane way to do it many many years ago, since then technology and science has moved on and there are much more humane methods now (and if you don't believe me, google it. I would link something but I really can't be bothered to go into a debate with someone who will just ignore any stats I throw at them, as it's happened before on here). If Islam kept to its very good moral belief that they should kill in the most humane way, rather than stick to tradition for the sake of it, then I would happily eat halal meat if I felt like the animals killed for it were killed in the nicest way possible. Until someone can prove it, I will avoid it. If anything, I almost think it's silly how it's becoming the only option in certain places, meaning that I can't buy food there.

And you can't argue that we should all just become vegetarian - we're born as omnivores, so naturally we eat some meat. At least we don't want the animals to come to much harm, if it can be avoided.

I just think they need to label everything clearly, like how they label eggs to say if they're free-range or battery eggs. At least then we know and don't have to just guess.

The restaurants that offer this do label it clearly, it's for the sake of the muslims rather than other but still, it's clearly labelled.

[SaharaDesert]

(Original post by y-y)
That's what I've been thinking, unless everyone here is illiterate

Maybe they just don't know that those squiggly Arabic lines on the packaging means that it is halal

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
This is precisely why I only eat BACON double cheese burgers from Burger King, so I don't have to adopt foreign food ritual practises and somehow get told that it's part of the culture of this country. I would honestly laugh if the burgers in a BDC burger were halal because it's so pointless. I wish society cared for the majority and not the unwanted minority, particularly one which screams to want special treatment as opposed to simply not eating beef.




No evidence to the contrary. You're just saying 'my beliefs are superior to your opinions and culture'. Sounds pretty fascist to me. I'd probably do a whole Unite Against Fascism on you had the UAF not been fascists.

We never demanded it. they started offering it because they realised: "Hey, there will be an extra 2 million people we can sell to if we make it Halal."

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by Aethra)
I happen to believe that halal is needlessly cruel, and I want the choice of knowing if the food I buy might be halal or not. That's all. It's all about choice.

Ever seen an animal electrocuted? It fights and convulses A LOT. Ever seen an animal slaughtered with a knife slitting it's throat? It's limp almost immediately because it's unconscious. I'd say that's a less painful way to die. And by judging when you've posted this i doubt you'll listen to me as this has been brought up already quite a few times.

[Left Hand Drive]

Surely its up to the "eatery".

[Aysena]

(Original post by alex5455)
That is not true. go learn biology instead of relying on your ancient storybook

I'm learning biology thank you very much...and 'ancient storybook'? Racist much?

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by cl_steele)
considering i never said that they used bolt guns in the halal slaughter processi cant really disagree with you can i ?

Sorry read you're post wrong, didn't realised there was another comma :P

[Rainingshame]

(Original post by G550NDH)
ritually cut meat is prohibited in sikhism so sikhs should be told whether the meat they eat is halal/kosher or not

It always says for the muslims whether it is or not. As for kosher i don't think there are too many Jews in the UK so i doubt you'd find too many places serving kosher meats outside of the large cities (London, Birmingham, Leeds etc.)

[fuze-mo25]

The other forms of killing animals are more harmful than halal meat! the moment the animal gets stunned or electrocuted is more painful than slitting its neck.
Quite frankly the meat tastes the same at the end of the day so eat it or dont no-one is forcing you.

[Saima12345]

(Original post by Aethra)
How can we do something about this, because I find it disgusting. A very large proportion of the food we buy has halal meat in it, completely unlabelled. Most New Zealand lamb sold in the UK is now, apparently, halal, and so is KFC. Many other outlets are following suit, without even telling us. Surely, if it's ok to tell customers that something is definitely halal, we should also be informed when something definitely isn't, because I for one don't want to eat anything that's been deliberately slaughtered in the cruellest way imaginable by letting it bleed to death while still conscious.

You find animal slaughter disgusting, yet you are not a vegetarian?! This, I find very strange. What exactly do you find disgusting? Or could you not find another topic to criticise, because the facts you have put are wrong. To begin with, the islamic way of slaughtering, is contrary to what you have written entirely, It is the most humane way ffor slaughtering an animal, as they feel much less pain than when slaughtered in the non-halal way, this is part of the reason muslims eat it, because it causes the animal much less pain. Also, not all KFC's are halal, the majority aren't, and it is clearly advertised when they are, so you can just ask anyway rather than making a big deal out of something which is false! Are you saying that it is only ok for people to have something which is halal, as if there shouldn't be anywhere halal to eat, where in reality, the majority of the places are not halal. That is, as ludicrous as, me saying to you, that everything should be halal, which would then leave you feeling as if there was nowhere for you to eat. Ironically, the way you have written for slaughtering is not the halal way of sluahgtering, but the non-halal way of slaughtering, so which method are you really questioning....

[exe]

(Original post by alex5455)
tell you what why dont we cut your throat without you having any form of stunning and you tell us if it hurts, it will. why can we do the same to animals.

as a vegetarian i disagree with killing animals at all but if we have to kill them at least stun them first

what difference does it make if they are seconds away from death?

[alex5455]

(Original post by Aysena)
I'm learning biology thank you very much...and 'ancient storybook'? Racist much?

whoever is teaching you is not doing a good job then.

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE! and its not racist or islamophobic, or whatever other word you want to make up, i refer to the bible and the torah in the same way they are ancient works of fiction i cant believe people take seriously in the modern world.

i have no problems with religion except when it affects me or is discriminatory, and the cruel slaughter of animals affects me as i care for animal rights, so tell me i i said to you im going to cut your throat now, would you like to be concious throughout as you slowly bleed out over the course of minutes (even more in the case of a cow weighing a ton) or would you like me to stun you first that takes less than a second and you wont feel a thing?

[exe]

(Original post by alex5455)
was ive explained to you, cutting throat = not painless bleeding to death while fully conscious and aware whats going on, stunned = know nothing about it i know which id take. youre just an indoctrinated fool. No impurities would be in an animals blood, do you know nothing about biology? blood and tissue fludi exchange freely my god do gcse biology before you try and argue this with me.

thats just false though. u should learn some basic biology urself. ur literally suggesting that it's more humane to paralyse an animal than to just kill it outright which is a dumb argument that is underpinned by the even dumber argument of we should be humane to an animal in the seconds before it dies. halal animals are kept in much better conditions than non halal animals which is why i buy them even as a non muslim