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US Elections 2012?

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    (Original post by King Kebab)
    Obama will win. He has an improving economy and the Osama Bin Laden card to play.
    The Economy is very average and the boost he got from Obama seems to have gone in approval ratings, Still the numbers are looking good for Obama, Recently i've seen a few poll averages with Obama in the lead in Florida and Ohio at above 2.5% which Romney needs to stand a chance.
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    So Obamacare looks like its standing then. Despite Obama saying repeatedly in campaigning that it wasn't a tax, it seems his legal team argued, successfully, that it is constitutional as a tax.




    EDIT: Seemingly, the states may be able to opt out of the extension of Medicaid. A win for Obama overall, but those states who sued seemed to have won on that specific issue which they brought the case on.

    All abit hazy atm.

    EDIT 2: See pp. 31-32 of the Supreme Court ruling which explains how it can be unconstitutional as regulating commerce, but constitutional as a tax.

    Here is essentially the main point:

    Those subject to the individual mandate may lawfully forgo health insurance and pay higher taxes, or buy health insurance and pay lower taxes. The only thing they may not lawfully do is not buy health insurance and not pay the resulting tax.
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    Vote Mitt Romney!


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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    Vote Mitt Romney!


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    Why do you support him


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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Why do you support him


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    Obama has failed


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    I think obama will win, but it'll be very close.

    I guess it depends on how obama-care will turn out. Heard on NPR today that insurance will be compulsory (in a way, you either have it or pay a fine), yet the insurance companies will set the prices. Kinda sounds like aiding and abetting colluding healthcare insurance companies...
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    (Original post by KasanDude)
    I think obama will win, but it'll be very close.

    I guess it depends on how obama-care will turn out. Heard on NPR today that insurance will be compulsory (in a way, you either have it or pay a fine), yet the insurance companies will set the prices. Kinda sounds like aiding and abetting colluding healthcare insurance companies...
    They have a similar system in Australia but with a state provider, Medibank, used to keep the prices under control although it does not always work that well.
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    Obama has failed


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    What makes you think Romney will be any better?
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    (Original post by No Man)
    What makes you think Romney will be any better?
    Less ambitious.
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    (Original post by No Man)
    What makes you think Romney will be any better?
    He is experienced in business and has made lots of money so knows what he's doing

    Why do you think Obama should be reelected?


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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    He is experienced in business and has made lots of money so knows what he's doing

    Why do you think Obama should be reelected?


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    He has better foreign policies.
    Romney is keen on triggering WWIII.
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    (Original post by No Man)
    He has better foreign policies.
    Romney is keen on triggering WWIII.
    Yet he still hasn't done everything in that area, he might have better ones (in some cases) but hasn't implemented them such as the Mexican border "fence" or closing guantamino bay


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    (Original post by No Man)
    He has better foreign policies.
    Romney is keen on triggering WWIII.
    Barring killing Bin Laden, Obama is often widely criticised for his foreign policies. The re-set of relations with Russia hasn't done anything at all. All his talk of new relations with the Islamic world seem to have achieved little. Trying to engage Iran has done absolutely nothing and made America look weak in their eyes. He seemed very hesitant on Libya and it was Britain & France leading the way there. His recent support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has upset the pro-Israel sections of America.

    Obama is reducing America's influence on the world. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, many Americans don't want that to happen.

    This summarises many of the points of contention.

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