[Politricks]

They're paying for a "friend" so he can stay away from other inmates, and a good thing too, we don't want Breivik wannabes running around all over Norway after they've been released.

[internetguru]

(Original post by Marlo Stanfield)
the 9/11 bombers should have been rehabilitated if captured alive

or wait, is rehabilitation aimed instead at petty criminals and the like. astonishing there are genuine claims that a mass-murder who meticulously planned his heinous atrocity for years can be brought back into society.

Yes because terrorists in an exploding plane crashing into a skyscraper are likely to survive...

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by Politricks)
They're paying for a "friend" so he can stay away from other inmates, and a good thing too, we don't want Breivik wannabes running around all over Norway after they've been released.

Nah it was because Norway's prisoners have more space and freedom thus if they gave him such freedom, they believe they'll witness a hostage situation so it's for the protection of inmates.

[Marlo Stanfield]

(Original post by internetguru)
Yes because terrorists in an exploding plane crashing into a skyscraper are likely to survive...

whatever. people have committed acts of terrorism resulting in multiple deaths and survived.

[Kiss]

(Original post by navarre)
That his 'punishment' involves spending the next 20 years in a state-paid hotel is an insult to his victims and their families. Norway is far too soft on this sort of thing.

Its their laws, you can't change them and you shouldn't be complaining.

[miser]

Maybe it's because Norway doesn't decide its prison policies based on a lust for revenge.

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by jismith1989)
Norway seems to have a great prison system, I doubt that we could afford it over here though.

What about if we invested more in prisons? And stop looking at it from a simplistic cost-effective model of having prisoners cramped up with each other in appalling conditions and start factoring in the costs of reoffending has on us which is said to be £11 BN. Obviously it isn't a simple as providing better facilities and there's obvious social differences e.g. gangs and Norway's crime tends to be much lower in general anyway but still we have to ask ourselves how they got there in the first place. I know there's a correlation between economic inequality and social problems.

[bax121]

He should have just been killed when he was caught. Waste of time and money tbh.

[openyourmouth]

It'll be funny if they hire a Muslim to become his friend.

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by brendonbackflip)
Probably for the best - he's mentally ill anyway, I doubt total isolation would help him recover. If he's going to ever go back into society, he needs a lot of support to make sure he's in a healthier state of mind.

as if he's ever getting back into society.

[Durido]

(Original post by Qaz25)
I would be interested to know what the re-offending rates are for those who are supposedly 'rehabilitated' in Norway. I know the re-offending rates for those coming out of British prisons is the best way to show that our system is just plain rubbish. But the systems are different. So yeh... would be interesting to know because I know a hundred better things that money could be spent on...

Its actually rather low. If you go to prison in Norway you will usually experience a kind of life which I would only call an upgrade in society. You basically get a normal working habit and experience how it is to be a part of a functioning society.

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by lucaf)
because punishing them does not really solve anything except satisfy the publics thirst for revenge. it does not undo the crime, and it increases the chances of them offending again.

the first priority should be to be to protect the public, and then to try and prevent it from happening again. the conditions of our prisons may be a worse punishment, but they lead to a cycle of reoffences

I just don't believe that there shouldn't be consequences. People need to be self reliant. I seriously don't understand why people re-offend. Yes, I can understand rehabilitation for non-violent crimes, but I just think there's a line. I believe someone who murders just one innocent person, let alone 77, deserves eternal pain and suffering.

Revenge? I'm not even angry. I just feel like we're being humiliated by those who don't care. It just doesn't seem right.

It's not like this guy could've been mistaken for these crimes anyway. I think it's disrespectful to all those who were murdered for pleasure to just treat this **** nicely.

[abc:)]

I suppose although he is never getting out it is as a general rule in prisons a good way to make sure people don't get so messed up that they re-offend once out of prison.
Also it is very humane, I have a lot of admiration for the country because if it was me I don't think I could be so compassionate to a murderer like that.

[faber niger]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
What about if we invested more in prisons? And stop looking at it from a simplistic cost-effective model of having prisoners cramped up with each other in appalling conditions and start factoring in the costs of reoffending has on us which is said to be £11 BN. Obviously it isn't a simple as providing better facilities and there's obvious social differences e.g. gangs and Norway's crime tends to be much lower in general anyway but still.

Sure, I think it would have a positive effect in the long term, but the short term expenditure would be huge (much more than £11bn). As you say, we have many more criminals than Norway (and are a poorer country in per capita terms with lower rates of taxation). So, unless we made major changes somewhere, it simply wouldn't be affordable, even if it would be a good investment. Norway also has lower rates of income inequality, so it's possible for there to be more social solidarity and it doesn't have an underclass to the same extent that we do.

If (big if!) Scotland becomes independent, however, it'll probably adopt more of a Scandinavian model.

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
as if he's ever getting back into society.

As long as he behaves himself, he is likely to. It's 21 years then they must show that he is still a danger (and even then they have to do this for the next 5 years each time) which would be pretty hard if his behaving himself and responding well.

[Maddog Jones]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
http://news.yahoo.com/prison-hire-pe...130652699.html

I know Norway has always had a liberal prison system but I can't believe they're willing to spend more money on a guy that killed countless of children. It truly shows how great of a nation they really are. They're like epitome of Jesus with their kindness and compassion even towards the most sick prisoners.

Inb4 right-wingers can't comprehend such acts of compassion and start chanting for death penalty/total isolation.

Negged you because I thought you were an idiotic right winger, then read the rest of the post. Sorry ;_______;

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
As long as he behaves himself, he is likely to. It's 21 years then they must show that he is still a danger (and even then they have to do this for the next 5 years each time) which would be pretty hard if his behaving himself and responding well.

he only got 21 years?! If I'm gonna commit a crime, it's getting done in norway

[internetguru]

(Original post by openyourmouth)
It'll be funny if they hire a Muslim to become his friend.

Ye they could have bomb fights.

[ExMuslim]

Here in America we would strap this fool onto a gurney and inject chemicals into his blood system to paralyze him and cause total organ failure. Norway is insulting the victims by treating this mass killer like this.

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
he only got 21 years?! If I'm gonna commit a crime, it's getting done in norway

That's the maximum for any crime. But, it can be extended if shown to still pose a threat.