"Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?
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"Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?What are moderate Muslims doing to combat against certain acts of "evil" that were permissible in the name of Islam?
For example in many Islamic countries, capital punishment is imposed if you are homosexual.
In this case, why aren't moderate Muslims doing anything about that?
I was enlightened by this video:
The guy in the video certainly has a valid point. Why is it that Muslims get outraged at cartoons made of their prophet, but they do not anything of the many atrocities made in the name of Islam?
If Islam doesn't allow it, is it right that they should be allowed to happen? Why aren't moderate Muslims doing anything?
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?I don't think you can really make the comparison. It's sort of like saying why shouldn't Christians do something about the terrible atrocities in the name of God like the WBC and Paedophile Priests. All religion is a response to revelation and it can have disastrous consequences if it's taken too literally. On that note Religion always needs to take time to evolve. Religion isn't a monolithic thing, religions to a certain extent encompass violence and terrorism from Civil War to spreading by the sword.
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?It is certainly true that Islam is responsible for a great deal more of the modern world's religious evil than any other religion to my knowledge, although the video certainly isn't accurate when it says "terrorism is a Muslim Monopoly" - that simply isn't true. There is a great deal of Christian and various other religious terrorism.
However, sadly, it does seem true that the followers of other religions do an awful lot more to make their religions look better than those of Islam. Whilst virtually all Christians oppose the evils that happen in the name of their God, there aren't nearly as many cases of that in Islam. There have been a few notable and laudable cases, such as the mass Muslim gathering in Egypt a few months ago in which they encircled a group of Christians and forcibly protected them from harm. However much of the time Islam just seems to sit idly by and allow this sort of absolutely disgusting religious insanity to continue:
http://www.meforum.org/3256/tunisia-...istian-convert
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Erm, what exactly do you want 'moderate muslims' to do? Islamic organisations do condemn every terror attack committed by muslims, but other than that you can't expect all muslims to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow muslims, just like you can't expect all catholics to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow catholics, just like you cant expect all black people to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow blacks just like you can't expect all men to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow men.(Original post by im so academic)
If Islam doesn't allow it, is it right that they should be allowed to happen? Why aren't moderate Muslims doing anything?
Also on that video that rude aggressive guy blatantly cut off the sensible sounding guy.
Also remember that Islam is a very decentralised religion compared to say Catholicism so there is not one voice that represents the religion.Last edited by Dhaal_Chawal; 09-06-2012 at 22:17. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?I'm not pro-Christian, but all the WBC does is make stupid posters. They are not taken seriously.(Original post by PierceBrosnan)
I don't think you can really make the comparison. It's sort of like saying why shouldn't Christians do something about the terrible atrocities in the name of God like the WBC and Paedophile Priests. All religion is a response to revelation and it can have disastrous consequences if it's taken too literally. On that note Religion always needs to take time to evolve. Religion isn't a monolithic thing, religions to a certain extent encompass violence and terrorism from Civil War to spreading by the sword.
With the issue of paedophile priests, you have a point there and at least that's being sorted out. At the very least, the Catholic Church admits its mistakes - which is something many Muslims fail to do. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Why arent we doing anything? We are. The majority of us lead good lifes, set a good example and image of ourselves. What else dyou want us to do?(Original post by im so academic)
If Islam doesn't allow it, is it right that they should be allowed to happen? Why aren't moderate Muslims doing anything?
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Its people like you who choose to reflect on the bits that you dont like and take that as a representation of Islam as a whole.
The same could be reflected to you: why aren't you doing anything to e more accepting? -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?He cut him off because he wasn't adequately replying back to the guy who had the point.(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
Erm, what exactly do you want 'moderate muslims' to do? Islamic organisations do condemn every terror attack committed by muslims, but other than that you can't expect all muslims to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow muslims, just like you can't expect all catholics to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow catholics, just like you cant expect all black people to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow blacks just like you can't expect all men to apologise for crimes committed by their fellow men.
Also on that video that rude aggressive guy blatantly cut off the sensible sounding guy.
Why is it that Muslims take to the streets over some harmless cartoons, but do **** all for all the other atrocities?
It's just double standards.
You don't see Christians complaining when comedians make jokes about them, but the minute someone makes cartoons - they take to the streets.
If you're going to take to the streets over some pictures, you should go to the streets when girls are being prevented from going school or men being beheaded for being homosexual. -
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Have anyone noticed the news. Let's say someone started shooting and killed 4 and got arrested or being killed by law enforcement agencies.
1- A person went crazy at bla bla today and killed 4 n was shot dead by police.
2- Today a muslim extremist Muhammad someone killed 4 and police tried to calm him down bla bla n they have to kill him in the end.
Why same actions of a non muslim wasn't named and his religion was mentioned. He must have a name must be following some religion.
It's the media who creates hype n make Muslims look bad.
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Wait for a second, we should be accepting that your religion condemns homosexuality? That many Muslims girls cannot attend school? That there is a lack of equal rights for women?(Original post by NuckingFut)
Why arent we doing anything? We are. The majority of us lead good lifes, set a good example and image of ourselves. What else dyou want us to do?
Its people like you who choose to reflect on the bits that you dont like and take that as a representation of Islam as a whole.
The same could be reflected to you: why aren't you doing anything to e more accepting?
The minority are ruining it all for you. Either you do something about that, or Islam will be perceived based on the few.
Also not all Muslims, even in the Western world, lead good lives. Sweeping the problems under the carpet is not going to do anything. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?There have been organisations set up to combat this sort of thing. And then apart from protesting, writing articles/websites, giving lectures to Muslim youth in the community in mosques about extremism, I don't really know what other option there is. I think it is an internal issue if anything. I don't think protesting will help, I doubt the Taliban will care if some Muslims a million miles away are protesting against them, it is not effective. So the best thing to do is to educate Muslims and align their teachings towards the true nature of Islam. It will be something that won't cause a ruckus and make the media, so non-Muslims might think the community is not doing anything, but they are working towards it. Whenever I come across a Muslim with outrageously misaligned views, I will correct them and guide them towards moderacy.
Also, extremist groups are usually formed in reaction to events that occur in the ME which they perceive as an attack on Islam, so while Muslims are doing their thing in the West, it would be nice if non-Muslims do not rape/kill/throw drones on Muslims in the East, just so they dont add fuel to the fire.
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?The % of muslims who go to the street protesting at cartoons is very small, maybe 0.00000001% of all muslims. These ones tend to be the very backward thinking ones who probably agree with homosexuals being killed so they wouldn't protest over that.(Original post by im so academic)
He cut him off because he wasn't adequately replying back to the guy who had the point.
Why is it that Muslims take to the streets over some harmless cartoons, but do **** all for all the other atrocities?
It's just double standards.
You don't see Christians complaining when comedians make jokes about them, but the minute someone makes cartoons - they take to the streets.
If you're going to take to the streets over some pictures, you should go to the streets when girls are being prevented from going school or men being beheaded for being homosexual.Last edited by Dhaal_Chawal; 09-06-2012 at 23:01. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Name a Hindu terrorist in recent years. Name a Sikh terrorist in recent years. Name a Buddhist terrorist in recent years. Name a Christian terrorist in recent years.(Original post by Kh4w4r)
Have anyone noticed the news. Let's say someone started shooting and killed 4 and got arrested or being killed by law enforcement agencies.
1- A person went crazy at bla bla today and killed 4 n was shot dead by police.
2- Today a muslim extremist Muhammad someone killed 4 and police tried to calm him down bla bla n they have to kill him in the end.
Why same actions of a non muslim wasn't named and his religion was mentioned. He must have a name must be following some religion.
It's the media who creates hype n make Muslims look bad.
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Oh wait, what about Anders Breivik?
It is mentioned. It just so happens that in recent years there have been many terrorists influenced by Islam.
The media created hype out of nothing, there would certainly be a backlash. The media isn't perfect, but it doesn't create stories out of thin air. There must be some justification for their claims.
Do you see a media ganging up on Buddhists? Christians? Sikhs? No.
If Muslims are "portrayed" to be bad, you have to ask why is that the case. Either the media is telling explicit lies or there must be some truth as to why they have that reputaiton. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?there are muslims out there issuing fatwas against extremism
most notably an anti-terrorism fatwa was lauched last year, condemnig any form of extremism. Even an anti-terror camp
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10900478
so people are doing things, its just extremists attract more attentionLast edited by Petro_99; 09-06-2012 at 22:28. -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Are you saying the reason why some Muslims commit certain atrocities is because of non-Muslims?(Original post by SaharaDesert)
There have been organisations set up to combat this sort of thing. And then apart from protesting, writing articles/websites, giving lectures to Muslim youth in the community in mosques about extremism, I don't really know what other option there is. I think it is an internal issue if anything. I don't think protesting will help, I doubt the Taliban will care if some Muslims a million miles away are protesting against them, it is not effective. So the best thing to do is to educate Muslims and align their teachings towards the true nature of Islam. It will be something that won't cause a ruckus and make the media, so non-Muslims might think the community is not doing anything, but they are working towards it. Whenever I come across a Muslim with outrageously misaligned views, I will correct them and guide them towards moderacy.
Also, extremist groups are usually formed in reaction to events that occur in the ME which they perceive as an attack on Islam, so while Muslims are doing their thing in the West, it would be nice if non-Muslims do not rape/kill/throw drones on Muslims in the East, just so they dont add fuel to the fire.
What on earth are you saying? -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?But it just goes to show that the only thing Muslims will protest about are cartoons, as opposed to the extremists portraying them in a bad light.(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
The % of muslims who go to the street protesting at cartoons is very small, maybe 0.00000000001% of all muslims. These ones tend to be the very backward thinking ones who probably agree with homosexuals being killed so they wouldn't protest over that.
How can moderate Muslims justify the capital punishment (or punishment of any sort) against homosexuals in Islamic countries? -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?You're so stupid(Original post by im so academic)
Wait for a second, we should be accepting that your religion condemns homosexuality? That many Muslims girls cannot attend school? That there is a lack of equal rights for women?
The minority are ruining it all for you. Either you do something about that, or Islam will be perceived based on the few.
Also not all Muslims, even in the Western world, lead good lives. Sweeping the problems under the carpet is not going to do anything.
The example you gave about catholic priests. Were they judged by the actions of the many? Because of the KKK, are all white people crazy christian crusaders? Are all germans nazis? Because by judging an entire group by the actions of afew, the answers you'll get for all of those is "yes".
And if you want to critisize, educate yourself on what you're critisizing on. Who says women dont have equal rights? Some far right news article you read? Muslim girls can't go to school? All kids in this country do, and they're allowed to do so Islamically too.
Most Muslims in the"western" world (and the rest of it) lead good lives. Here we go again, stupid generalisations. If a group of christians do something stupid, is the whole religion somehow to blame? Obviously not, so why do you apply that to Islam? -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Not true(Original post by im so academic)
But it just goes to show that the only thing Muslims will protest about are cartoons, as opposed to the extremists portraying them in a bad light.
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?imso: the troll that went from and obsession with oxbridge to self hate to hating immigrants and now bashing religion.
What are you doing to sort out all of the things that are linked with your race, religious affiliation or anything of the sort? Have you realised how many Muslims there are in the world? Do you seriously think that the moderate Muslims can stop all of the religious extremists? Muslims do try to spread the peace and not interfere in peoples lives unnecessarily but how often do you see that? -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?I am saying that these groups are usually formed in reaction to the current affairs in the Middle East.(Original post by im so academic)
Are you saying the reason why some Muslims commit certain atrocities is because of non-Muslims?
What on earth are you saying?
Take Mohammad Merrah as an example. He stated that he killed the Jewish children to "avenge the deaths of Palestinians." -
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Re: "Extremists don't reflect what Islam is about" - why aren't you sorting it out?Yes in this country, this democratic, free and Western country.(Original post by NuckingFut)
You're so stupid
The example you gave about catholic priests. Were they judged by the actions of the many? Because of the KKK, are all white people crazy christian crusaders? Are all germans nazis? Because by judging an entire group by the actions of afew, the answers you'll get for all of those is "yes".
And if you want to critisize, educate yourself on what you're critisizing on. Who says women dont have equal rights? Some far right news article you read? Muslim girls can't go to school? All kids in this country do, and they're allowed to do so Islamically too.
Most Muslims in the"western" world (and the rest of it) lead good lives. Here we go again, stupid generalisations. If a group of christians do something stupid, is the whole religion somehow to blame? Obviously not, so why do you apply that to Islam?
What about in your Islamic countries? Do women have equal rights there? No.
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