B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation Bill
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillSoldiers should not be given special preference. They have risked their lives, but have done so killing people in imperialist wars on the basis they are of a different nationality and culture. This is not something to be encouraged, rewarded or even condoned. I find it disgusting that this would treat a perfectly well-off soldier with preference to an impoverished family or a disabled elderly person.
I also strongly disagree with the penalty for those holding criminal records. If they are applying for council housing, that should indicate that the courts have taken sufficient action to ensure that they have been rehabilitated. Although the failings of our current criminal justice system mean that this, sadly, is rarely the case, this penalty would only serve to further prevent convicted criminals from becoming full and functioning members of society, and a drive towards poverty caused by them not having access to appropriate accommodation would further increase re-offending rates.
This bill is ill thought through, and completely arbitrary. It is far better to allow councils to consider each case on its individual merits rather than a system of box ticking that completely ignores any potential circumstances beyond those anticipated by the government when writing this bill. In case you haven't guessed, I will be voting no to this bill unless it goes through radical changes to remove the ideological idea of some being less worthy of decent housing and instead serves to ensure that those most in need are prioritised and nobody else. -
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I don't believe that people with criminal records should be treated like second-class citizens; if they've served their punishment then let them get on with their lives as long as they're not viewed as a threat to others, which most aren't. I also completely disagree with preferential treatment for veterans. We don't owe them anything beyond what we already pay them, they're mercenaries not saints.
Other than those two complaints, I agree that those in dire circumstances should be the first priority, followed by those that require special assistance.
Finally, what's the logic behind giving extra points to people who've moved x number of miles?
I'd like to add that I'm pleasantly surprised you've not continued your "we dislike poor immigrants" trend and gone "immigrant: -100000 points". Well done for that, at least.
Read the Bill and you'll find out.(Original post by Morgsie)
What happens to those who require priority housing for example homeless people etc?
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillAgree with this post so much(Original post by CLS94)
Soldiers should not be given special preference. They have risked their lives, but have done so killing people in imperialist wars on the basis they are of a different nationality and culture. This is not something to be encouraged, rewarded or even condoned. I find it disgusting that this would treat a perfectly well-off soldier with preference to an impoverished family or a disabled elderly person.
I also strongly disagree with the penalty for those holding criminal records. If they are applying for council housing, that should indicate that the courts have taken sufficient action to ensure that they have been rehabilitated. Although the failings of our current criminal justice system mean that this, sadly, is rarely the case, this penalty would only serve to further prevent convicted criminals from becoming full and functioning members of society, and a drive towards poverty caused by them not having access to appropriate accommodation would further increase re-offending rates.
This bill is ill thought through, and completely arbitrary. It is far better to allow councils to consider each case on its individual merits rather than a system of box ticking that completely ignores any potential circumstances beyond those anticipated by the government when writing this bill. In case you haven't guessed, I will be voting no to this bill unless it goes through radical changes to remove the ideological idea of some being less worthy of decent housing and instead serves to ensure that those most in need are prioritised and nobody else.
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillCould you please explain the bolded statement?(Original post by Rakas21)
Christ we have some anti-imperialist isolationists around.
This bill rewards those who are deserving of more points.
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillI don't think Christ had a particularly pleasant relationship with empires!(Original post by Rakas21)
Christ we have some anti-imperialist isolationists around.
You don't need to be anti-war to think that that's a bit primitive.This bill rewards those who are deserving of more points.Last edited by JPKC; 10-06-2012 at 12:09. -
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillWho better to answer your questions than the relevant SOS.(Original post by Lipvig)
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You specifically agreed with a post demonstrating that the UK is imperialistic, further you have in the past admitted to being an isolationist (effectively).(Original post by davidmarsh01)
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillNon interventionist is not the same as isolationist. See Switzerland vs North Korea for the difference.(Original post by Rakas21)
Who better to answer your questions than the relevant SOS.
You specifically agreed with a post demonstrating that the UK is imperialistic, further you have in the past admitted to being an isolationist (effectively).
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillAllow me to explain:
First, regarding troops, these people have put their lives at risk in order to protect us. Whether you agree or disagree with the wars we have been involved in in recent times, these soldiers did not specifically choose whom to fight. Why should they be punished for decisions they did not make?
You may be aware that there is a housing crisis in certain area's of the country. This is designed as an incentive to attempt to ease strain in these area's, with those who move being rewarded for it.(Original post by JPKC)
Finally, what's the logic behind giving extra points to people who've moved x number of miles?
Regarding the criminal record, I would be more then willing to haggle over this issue, as with the others raised, but my argument is simply that we this may help reduce crime, as in the long term it could very well cost them housing.
Regarding the issue of homelessness, it is very likely that these people will actually be given more points then specifically awarded for being homeless, as they will more likely also have no source of income. As such, they will also be eligible for the 50 points awarded for the total lack of income, bringing them on par with those with disability in most cases.(Original post by Morgsie)
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillI don't agree with the numbers of points given to different categories, so no.
Secondly you've put a typo in where it's talking about income 33-66% below average - there's no % sign.
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Re: B459 - Points Based Housing Allocation BillWhat makes you think that I'm an isolationist?(Original post by Rakas21)
You specifically agreed with a post demonstrating that the UK is imperialistic, further you have in the past admitted to being an isolationist (effectively).
I've said before that the politics of the future is international relations, and we should seek to integrate ourselves much more with the EU
And yes, I am anti-imperialist, I should have made that clearer.
