[Metrobeans]

Following the debate in the motions amendment, I'm starting this thread to allow us to discuss and define (or re-define) the purpose of motions within the MHoC, what value we get out of them and how/if they should contribute to the primary purpose of the MHoC; the development of bills.

I do some have some thoughts on the matter, but I'm more interested in reading what you have to say at the moment, so if you have any thoughts on the above, I welcome your input.

[Morgsie]

I use Motions for specific matters. Bills are for broad matters.

Sorry it is not much but that is they way I see Motions.

[JPKC]

(Original post by Morgsie)
I use motions for specific matters. Bills are for broader matters.

Really? Bills are explicitly about debating specific policy proposals, whereas motions allow a topic to be discussed in general terms. I think you've got them topsy-turvy.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by JPKC)
Really? Bills are explicitly about debating specific policy proposals, whereas motions allow a topic to be discussed in general terms. I think you've got them topsy-turvy.

Bills are for the big stuff and Motions are for small stuff (my view).

Take Transport: Bills are used for massive stuff like reopening various lines and Motions are used for individual projects like the Crossrail extension or redeveloping a certain rail station or MML Electrification.

This is my perception

[MacDaddi]

I think there just needs to be a bit of common sense. There has to be room for debate and discussion in bills. The Congratulations Motions that we have seen do not meet those criteria and are basically just statements from the respective parties and individuals, saying "Well Done to you"

[Morgsie]

(Original post by MacCuishy)
I think there just needs to be a bit of common sense. There has to be room for debate and discussion in bills. The Congratulations Motions that we have seen do not meet those criteria and are basically just statements from the respective parties and individuals, saying "Well Done to you"

Good point and also these clog up time

[MacDaddi]

(Original post by Morgsie)
Good point and also these clog up time

Aye!

[Rakas21]

In general i use motions to gauge support from the House and discuss a subject (desalinisation, opposition to the living wage, space industry), a bill simply deals with any specifics (which model of thorium plant) and is legally binding.

Being fair Internetguru only released the second congratulations motion to prove a point regarding Labour's, rather than congratulate him they should have released a motion along the lines of 'we believe that there must be a focus on growth rather than austerity and then propose a solution'.

[Birchington]

(Original post by MacCuishy)
I think there just needs to be a bit of common sense. There has to be room for debate and discussion in bills. The Congratulations Motions that we have seen do not meet those criteria and are basically just statements from the respective parties and individuals, saying "Well Done to you"

This.

[Metrobeans]

What about motions on foreign policy?

[TieMeUp]

(Original post by Metrobeans)
Following the debate in the motions amendment, I'm starting this thread to allow us to discuss and define (or re-define) the purpose of motions within the MHoC, what value we get out of them and how/if they should contribute to the primary purpose of the MHoC; the development of bills.

I do some have some thoughts on the matter, but I'm more interested in reading what you have to say at the moment, so if you have any thoughts on the above, I welcome your input.

I have a quick question, am I permitted to put a motion to the mHoC by creating a new thread, and what's the preferred formulation, format &c?

[RoryS]

(Original post by TieMeUp)
I have a quick question, am I permitted to put a motion to the mHoC by creating a new thread, and what's the preferred formulation, format &c?

You need to submit a motion to the Speaker, Metrobeans via PM (Private Message).

[Metrobeans]

(Original post by TieMeUp)
I have a quick question, am I permitted to put a motion to the mHoC by creating a new thread, and what's the preferred formulation, format &c?

As a non-MP, you aren't able to to submit a motion, but you can write a petition and post it directly in the MHoC forum. There's more on petitions and how to write them here and feel free to ask me any questions you may have.

[barnetlad]

I use them to see if an idea has some support (as the lone MP not formally aligned) in the hope the idea can be supported by the relevant MHofC minister.

Well not really- I just want to promote quasi MRLP or real MRLP ideas and bring a smile.

[Moleman1996]

I think they're more use to the smaller parties, larger parties can discuss there plans with one other party and ensure they pass, however smaller parties I think use them to gain some idea as to whether or not their plans are widely supported.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
I think they're more use to the smaller parties, larger parties can discuss there plans with one other party and ensure they pass, however smaller parties I think use them to gain some idea as to whether or not their plans are widely supported.

I've never used them for TSR UKIP and I don't think (at least as long as I've been in the party) we've ever used them for that purpose.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by toronto353)
I've never used them for TSR UKIP and I don't think (at least as long as I've been in the party) we've ever used them for that purpose.

or maybe im totally wrong then Just trying to find a use for them, i've never really considered it because for me if you put in a bill you can almost completely rewrite it for the 2nd reading, you might as well put a bill in and then if everyone likes the idea its ready to go to vote.