[lonelykatana]

(Original post by Boone_007)
YOU shouldn't let science influence your faith or religion.

In other words, you shouldn't let fact influence your faith or religion?

[Miraclefish]

(Original post by Hassg84)
But why is it so hard to believe in what God says. After-all, none of us can confirm which theory is true, only the creator could tell us how he created us.

Because the only evidence for god's existence is extremely biased and provided by those who believe in god.

It essentially comes down to either "I just know he does", "His holy book says he exists, and as the book is about god or by god, it is therefore true" or "There is no other way the world could exist without him".

All of which require huge amounts of supposition and assumption.

[lonelykatana]

(Original post by -Liberty)
I know a couple of lecturers who see the evidence but are still skeptical. I was talking to one and he said if you know how proteins and certain amino acids are formed naturally you would find it very hard to believe these were produced and changed between different mammals within a couple thousand years.

And that is the beauty of science!
These lecturers don't step back and say 'must be creationism' do they?
There has been many scientific theories that have been replaced by new theories when new evidence is on offer - that's a good thing.
But until these lecturers create a better theory in light of new evidence, evolution will remain the leading theory.

I don't see questioning evolution as a bad thing, not at all. Its how science has prevailed in so many areas.
Its the nonsense arguments such 'why do we not have wings', 'why do we still have apes knocking about', and replacing the best explanation of the very clear adaptations of different organism determined by external factors (does anyone in the scientific community deny that happens?) - i.e. Evolution with this 'creation' bull**** that I find truly worrying.
And the fact there are countries willingly teaching this **** as fact, is shocking.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by Dobrzynski)
*sigh*

This one again. We did not evolve from monkeys. We evolved from apes. So did monkeys which are still alive today. The monkey and the human being are in the same evolutionary level, as is the slug and the bird and the elephant. The monkey and humans both evolved from apes.

Look closely just after the bit he wrote

[Loucleaves123]

(Original post by Boone_007)
YOU shouldn't let science influence your faith or religion.

This has to be the most purile answer that i have seen on here.
Religion is merely a form of brainwashing perpertrated on young vulnerable minds who are given no choice in the matter,or are they given ANY provable facts other than the "Chinese whispers" written in a book several thousand years ago
The bible is taken from the Jewish Torah,Jesus was Jewish,Joseph was Jewish,Mary was Jewish so you would think that Christians would be Jewish oooooh no,too simple.
They had to invent this WHOLE NEW religion which suited them better and more easily control the people,ok for a bit,until King Henry wants to marry out of his faith which is catholic,so what does he do,yep you got it,he invents his own religion C of E,in which he can marry his non Catholic bride
My point is it's all hokum,and a con whereas science is all around us when you cross a bridge,science was employed in the engineering of that bridge this is not a fairy story like religion,this is FACT
As a Humanist i always adhere to their slogan:
There probably is no god,so stop worrying and start enjoying your life

[Loucleaves123]

(Original post by lonelykatana)
And that is the beauty of science!
These lecturers don't step back and say 'must be creationism' do they?
There has been many scientific theories that have been replaced by new theories when new evidence is on offer - that's a good thing.
But until these lecturers create a better theory in light of new evidence, evolution will remain the leading theory.

I don't see questioning evolution as a bad thing, not at all. Its how science has prevailed in so many areas.
Its the nonsense arguments such 'why do we not have wings', 'why do we still have apes knocking about', and replacing the best explanation of the very clear adaptations of different organism determined by external factors (does anyone in the scientific community deny that happens?) - i.e. Evolution with this 'creation' bull**** that I find truly worrying.
And the fact there are countries willingly teaching this **** as fact, is shocking.

Yes there are many countries still teaching creationism,the UK included which is why there is a campaign led by teachers to get this stopped,and let parents take on the resposibility of teaching religion to their children and stop teaching creationism as fact

[cisne]

(Original post by Algorithm69)
If "evolution" says we came from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys? lol trolled

yup...that's so true....

[cisne]

(Original post by -Liberty)
I know a couple of lecturers who see the evidence but are still skeptical. I was talking to one and he said if you know how proteins and certain amino acids are formed naturally you would find it very hard to believe these were produced and changed between different mammals within a couple thousand years.

yeah.....human beings have been living in the world for more than 2000 years or so...then why do we still look same??? we aren't changed a bit...neither monkeys..
Oh cum on...Darwin lost his mind when he said that human were evolved from apes or whatsoever......

[-Liberty]

(Original post by lonelykatana)
And that is the beauty of science!
These lecturers don't step back and say 'must be creationism' do they?
There has been many scientific theories that have been replaced by new theories when new evidence is on offer - that's a good thing.
But until these lecturers create a better theory in light of new evidence, evolution will remain the leading theory.

I don't see questioning evolution as a bad thing, not at all. Its how science has prevailed in so many areas.
Its the nonsense arguments such 'why do we not have wings', 'why do we still have apes knocking about', and replacing the best explanation of the very clear adaptations of different organism determined by external factors (does anyone in the scientific community deny that happens?) - i.e. Evolution with this 'creation' bull**** that I find truly worrying.
And the fact there are countries willingly teaching this **** as fact, is shocking.

No. But they don't accept the theory either... I love science and really appreciate it, but there are some things we just can't prove.
Yeah I know. However I don't think things that aren't truly known should be taught. I think we should encourage people to take out research and come up with their own ideas, there is no point drumming maybes and could have beens into the new generations if we aren't encouraging them to try and prove it.

[Gofre]

(Original post by Hassg84)
But why is it so hard to believe in what God says. After-all, none of us can confirm which theory is true, only the creator could tell us how he created us.

Because there is no evidence whatsoever. I personally couldn't even begin to try believing in something without any convincing evidence.

[Good bloke]

(Original post by Hassg84)
But why is it so hard to believe in what God says. After-all, none of us can confirm which theory is true, only the creator could tell us how he created us.

And you could have written

But why is it so hard to believe in Santa Claus. After-all, none of us can confirm which theory is true, only Santa could tell us how he delivers toys.

which is equally preposterous.

[freakymonkey]

(Original post by -Liberty)
No. But they don't accept the theory either... I love science and really appreciate it, but there are some things we just can't prove.
Yeah I know. However I don't think things that aren't truly known should be taught. I think we should encourage people to take out research and come up with their own ideas, there is no point drumming maybes and could have beens into the new generations if we aren't encouraging them to try and prove it.

Not entirely convinced you understand how proof in science works... it doesn't. We haven't 'proven' things as simplistic as gravity or that the Earth goes around the Sun, they are theories, because there are (admittedly preposterous) alternatives that would lead to the same physical phenomena.

The weight of evidence for evolution is overwhelming. There have been over 2.7million peer-reviewed papers published in journals. It makes intuitive sense and fits with what we see, it is a shining example of a scientific theory done well.

We don't know anything, to your definition of what we should teach. To reduce it down, how do we know that what you see as blue I see as blue also? Maybe I see blue as you see green? Does this mean we should not teach small children about colours?

[sconter]

(Original post by cisne)
yeah.....human beings have been living in the world for more than 2000 years or so...then why do we still look same??? we aren't changed a bit...neither monkeys..
Oh cum on...Darwin lost his mind when he said that human were evolved from apes or whatsoever......

wut?

[sconter]

(Original post by Good bloke)
And you could have written



which is equally preposterous.

plus the fact creationism isnt a theory.

[-Liberty]

(Original post by freakymonkey)
Not entirely convinced you understand how proof in science works... it doesn't. We haven't 'proven' things as simplistic as gravity or that the Earth goes around the Sun, they are theories, because there are (admittedly preposterous) alternatives that would lead to the same physical phenomena.

The weight of evidence for evolution is overwhelming. There have been over 2.7million peer-reviewed papers published in journals. It makes intuitive sense and fits with what we see, it is a shining example of a scientific theory done well.

We don't know anything, to your definition of what we should teach. To reduce it down, how do we know that what you see as blue I see as blue also? Maybe I see blue as you see green? Does this mean we should not teach small children about colours?

This is subjective. You teach kids to recognize colours, okay fair enough. But do you think it is right to teach kids to just accept things and not question it? I would rather have a generation where they are encouraged to research, to question. Not what we are headed towards, a bunch a close minded kids who only know what they are told.

Yes, I agree with what you are saying when it comes to other scientific findings. And with most things we are taught in school, these findings can be proven, perhaps through mathematical methods or through experimental methods. That's what I think is important to teach. You can't just expect people to accept things... You can expect them to understand where you are coming from, weigh up the evidence and make a calculated decision. If you look at a recent Chemistry textbook they are heading towards what I think it right. For example in an AS textbook it says "greenhouse gases are thought to cause global warming" it also talks about the current model for atoms and states that even more recently scientists are still coming up with different models of the atom. It talks about the development of the models into the current one. I see where you are coming from, but to ignore the fact that caution should be taken when accepting theories is not wise. If people just accepted the plum pudding atom theory, where would science be now?

[beepbeeprichie]

Does the OP understand the difference between evolution (== all stuff changes) and natural selection (== what is most adapted survives ad infinitum)?