[Sabertooth]

(Original post by A.galloway)
It is awful but under James Murdochs plan the press wouldn't be held to any degree of impartiality. It would go from being a farce to becoming a powerful joke (like the sun).

WTF? Since when have private businesses been forced to be impartial? TV channels, like newspapers, can broadcast whatever point of view they like. The only exception is the BBC which is publicly funded.

I take it you've never read the Telegraph or Guardian.

[Fires]

It was regarded as a joke when it started in the US - now it pretty much controls US public opinion. Every other Yank you hear from thinks the problem with the world is too many liberals, faggots and pinkos. Surprisingly, those are the exact attitudes of Fox. Plus of course their incessant attacks on Obama designed, without ever mentioning either the B or the N words, to paint him as a dangerous Commie Liberal lying Negro.

[Aaron_xyz]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
DM is bad, but not as bad as Faux News.

Your opinion. As someone of Chinese descent I don't read or hear nearly as much promotion of anti-Chinese racism in Fox News than in the Daily Mail.

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by A.galloway)
The effect that they have other than filling a market niche is that they have a disproportionate effect on the political system.

So does Daily Mail. Shall we ban them? So does Guardian. Shall we ban them?

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by Fires)
It was regarded as a joke when it started in the US - now it pretty much controls US public opinion. Every other Yank you hear from thinks the problem with the world is too many liberals, faggots and pinkos. Surprisingly, those are the exact attitudes of Fox. Plus of course their incessant attacks on Obama designed, without ever mentioning either the B or the N words, to paint him as a dangerous Commie Liberal lying Negro.

Yeah, that's why more than 50% of American support same-sex marriage, right? Fox is not a representative of America. America is a land of 300 Million people, I know it can be hard to remember that less than 5% of the American population actually watch Fox News, even though the figure is in millions in proportion to population it isn't that big.

[Fires]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
Yeah, that's why more than 50% of American support same-sex marriage, right? Fox is not a representative of America. America is a land of 300 Million people, I know it can be hard to remember that less than 5% of the American population actually watch Fox News, even though the figure is in millions in proportion to population it isn't that big.

Well in this country, Murdoch has been keen to castrate the BBC and replace it with his channels, something the Tories were keen to enable until the current ****-storm blew up, so that doesn't exactly inspire trust in the mechanisms.

The fact is that Fox was number 1 in the news-watching ratings at key times, which is all that matters. See the quote from Wikipedia below:


"FNC ranked #8 for all cable channels in 2006 and #6 in 2007.[37] The news channel surged to #1 during the week of Barack Obama's election (November 3–9) in 2008 and reached the top spot again in January 2010 during the week of the special Senate election in Massachusetts.[38] Comparing Fox to its 24-hour news channel competitors, for the month of May 2010 the channel drew an average daily prime time audience of 1.8 million versus 747,000 for MSNBC and 595,000 for CNN.[39]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_new..._and_reception

[Lord-Voldemort]

(Original post by Aaron_xyz)
Your opinion. As someone of Chinese descent I don't read or hear nearly as much promotion of anti-Chinese racism in Fox News than in the Daily Mail.

That's your vested interest though, I don't think that makes the DM overall worse than Faux News. Doesn't the DM usually focus on Muslims and South Asians? Can't say I have ever seen reports that they have displayed anti-Chinese racism.

[Aaron_xyz]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
That's your vested interest though, I don't think that makes the DM overall worse than Faux News. Doesn't the DM usually focus on Muslims and South Asians? Can't say I have ever seen reports that they have displayed anti-Chinese racism.

Yes which is why I said "I consider", I never said overall, I'm speaking from a personal level.

And the DM channels its sinophobia through typical scaremongering and stereotypes by selective reporting and visceral choice of words, and even sometimes by outright false newspieces.

[Herr]

Fox news? You're better off being on TSR than to waste your electricity watching that crap.

Essentially this is beyond Daily Mail and it isn't easy to get to that level.

[A.galloway]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
So does Daily Mail. Shall we ban them? So does Guardian. Shall we ban them?

Not at all. They are already established, but to create a fox news channel in the UK it would require neutering of OfCom. And without a regulation body like that it opens doors to much more partisan antics.

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by A.galloway)
Not at all. They are already established, but to create a fox news channel in the UK it would require neutering of OfCom. And without a regulation body like that it opens doors to much more partisan antics.

Why would it? Let them work around it. And if they don't, they get the same fate as Press TV did.

[alex5455]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
Yeah, that's why more than 50% of American support same-sex marriage, right? Fox is not a representative of America. America is a land of 300 Million people, I know it can be hard to remember that less than 5% of the American population actually watch Fox News, even though the figure is in millions in proportion to population it isn't that big.

source for that?

[Architecture-er]

Would prefer HBO

[Roaroaroar]

(Original post by alex5455)
source for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...#Polls_in_2012

[alex5455]

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_...#Polls_in_2012

wikipedia is not a source. do you have actual sources or are you just an american going "we arent all like the right wing christian nutjob majority"

[Fires]

(Original post by alex5455)
wikipedia is not a source. do you have actual sources or are you just an american going "we arent all like the right wing christian nutjob majority"

The sources are referenced in (good) Wikipedia articles. The Washington Post one (Source 12 in the list of polls) seems a fairly credible account of a recent poll, which confirms the 50%+ figure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...RjU_story.html

I must admit to finding this quite surprising, it would appear there are limits to the reach of Fox's stream of nauseating "opinions".

[Design_Me_A_Tom]

(Original post by A.galloway)
Watching the Leveson enquiry I saw that James Murdoch wants to set up a fox news style news channel in the UK.

I'm not sure on others thoughts but personally I find the idea abhorrent. I have seen Fox news in the US and their counterpart MSNBC and the massive bipartisan focus warps points to the point of lying. I cannot see any benefit that this could bring to the British public other than the politicians that buddy up with the organisation.

What are your views?

Fox News is the opposite of its slogan 'fair and balanced', you only have to YouTube fox propoganda and see the lies they come out with. I hate Bill O'Reilly with a passion, he is so ignorant and spreads lies and hate.

Sky News does spread its own propoganda but is not as bad as Fox, Fox news is so missleading that a study shows that Fox listener are actually less intelligent and missinformed as a result of using it as thier news source. (Google it if you don't believe me)

I also dislike Murdock as he is trying to control the media and manipulate people for his own views. I hate news media with a passion and so I think it would be terrible for such a plan to go ahead. People need to start making their own viewpoints and start thinking logically, rationally and idependantly rather than being given views by news media who have their own agendas and being brainwashed.

[alex5455]

(Original post by Fires)
The sources are referenced in (good) Wikipedia articles. The Washington Post one (Source 12 in the list of polls) seems a fairly credible account of a recent poll, which confirms the 50%+ figure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...RjU_story.html

I must admit to finding this quite surprising, it would appear there are limits to the reach of Fox's stream of nauseating "opinions".

i mean the obviously false assertion only 5% of americans watch fox news the 50% for same sex marriage has been fairly well reported on

[SnoochToTheBooch]

there needs to be a channel devoted to round the clock coverage of news about foxes

[Fires]

(Original post by alex5455)
i mean the obviously false assertion only 5% of americans watch fox news the 50% for same sex marriage has been fairly well reported on

Oh OK. Yes, it rises and falls but relatively few people in the US watch any news compared to here. The US as a nation has high rates of illiteracy and low rates of public participation and knowledge compared to Europe generally.