[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
if i had a penny for every time i read this i'd have enough to go to eton. I wouldn't spend it on that. I'd buy a negro slave.

of course, it's unfair, but they'll get over it.

Yeah, but here's the thing - Most of the people who complain are naturally dispositioned in society - lower paid job, status, wealth, etc... If these people could afford to go to top notch places and become 'somebody' they wouldn't be complaining then.

Bare in mind, however, that I fundamentally disagree with anything that widens the gap between the rich and the poor - but I am all for rewarding hard work.

[Petro_99]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
if i had a penny for every time i read this i'd have enough to go to eton. I wouldn't spend it on that. I'd buy a negro slave.

of course, it's unfair, but they'll get over it.

a slave= no wage, therefore no monetary requirement. lol. however, saying that i think it implies below minimum wage now, so you`d have plenty of money left.

who`s "they"?

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
Yeah, but here's the thing - Most of the people who complain are naturally dispositioned in society - lower paid job, status, wealth, etc...

you don't say
.

If these people could afford to go to top notch places and become 'somebody' they wouldn't be complaining then.

you don't say.

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Petro_99)
a slave= no wage, therefore no monetary requirement. lol

they don't come in Cornflake boxes, you know

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
they don't come in Cornflake boxes, you know

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)

so I will need money to buy one. judging by the number of 'must try harder' solutions here, i'll be able to get a nice strong one with a full set of teeth.

[Petro_99]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
they don't come in Cornflake boxes, you know

off topic, but you could create clones.

become a celebrity over something really stupid, and you`ll end up with slaves, obsessed and crazy.
they`d do anything! lol

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
so I will need money to buy one. judging by the number of 'must try harder' solutions here, i'll be able to get a nice strong one with a full set of teeth.

Have we seriously deviated off topic so much about the fairness in education system to slavery?

[millie-rose]

(Original post by Chad_Bronson)
Sounds like a bad pickle you're in, darling

I wouldn't worry too much mate - So long as you try your hardest you can sleep knowing that you did your best, which is far, far better than 'meaningless' qualifications.

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

18 now, applying to uni in oct:-) why?

[Chad_Bronson]

(Original post by millie-rose)
18 now, applying to uni in oct:-) why?

No particular reason dude, I just wasn't sure if you were in college yet that's all, haha

[im so academic]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
No. I propose something must be done to close the massive gap between state and private schools.

Which is?

[Deep456]

(Original post by lottie44442)
Of course, the only person holding you back is yourself...to a certain extent this is true. But when you put a child is in a classroom full of studious peers, who are taught to value education, or a classroom full of disruptive peers, who think it is 'uncool' to get good grades, you have to expect a difference in results which has to be put down to the system failing, and not on the individual children, for 'holding themselves back'.

My own personal choice of not travelling so far to school really wasn't my agrument. Though your point of not expecting 'everything to be given to you on your doorstep' isn't really true. Why shouldn't a child be able to walk to his or her school?? This is another agrument entirely though.

As for you battling through your 'severe travelling' to get to your privileged school....Well done, and pat yourself on the back! What a trouper!!

Stop excusing people, you don't have to look cool at school. School is for learning.

If you are talking about your own personal circumstances, rubbish. You had the chance to go to grammar school, you didn't take it. Quit complaining. It's only because you live in England, you come out with this rubbish. People in the vast majority of the world manage to get by walking long distances to school. As if taking a bus, one hour each way is a big deal. Get over yourself.

Many kids do it, in fact the vast majority of people at both my public and grammar school travelled long distances either by bus, rail, coach or both bus and coach.

If you wanted to go to your local school that is fine but don't bash it. You are lucky you are getting a free education at all, in most countries in the world you don't get this privilege.

I travelled more to get to my 'privileged school' (and grammar school, both a privilege) , you had your chance, you failed to take it, quit complaining. That's the irony of it all.

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by im so academic)
Which is?

Better state schools, higher grade boundaries for them, grammar schools..

[im so academic]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
Better state schools, higher grade boundaries for them, grammar schools..

How will you get "better state schools"?

And wtf? "Higher grade boundaries for them" - what on earth do you mean by that? (You do realise private schools go beyond the curriculum, right? It's not all about grades).

Grammar schools - reasonable idea.

[im so academic]

(Original post by zedbrar)
Please quote any post of mine saying that I wish to ban private tutoring. I support us adopting a Finnish style education system. In the Finnish education system there exists no private schools. In Finland the first examination students take are at age 16. At 16, you can quiet easily get a job and pay for private tutoring if your parents can't afford it. There is also little need for private tutoring at younger ages when there is no rush to pass examinations at 11 years old which decide your future education. But if parents so wish to pay for their children to have private tutoring when they are young, they are free to as that is outside the education system.

I don't believe that our education system should be commodified. It should be free from all bias and provide a quality education to all students based on their aptitude and not on their parents income.

Explain how the bit in bold will be achieved.

[im so academic]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
Equal opportunities for all children going to the same type of school = within the education system.
Equal opportunities for all children not being allowed private tutoring etc = outside the education system.

We must focus on the former.

Just because there'll still be inequality doesn't mean we can't try and fix this one.

But it won't be fixed if you propose to make everyone state-educated. Factors outside the official education system affect the education system *already*.

[im so academic]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
The Government can control what schools people go to but can't control if people need private tutoring.

Edit: Oh, and I can't see any significant data to show that there's a huge gap in grades of people who have private tutoring and people who dont.

Bull**** - parents would just send their children to private schools abroad.

(Original post by Roaroaroar)
But, they can ban it and make sure children don't get private tutoring. Might not motivate every rich parent to not get a private tutor but it will for most just like drugs banning still allow drugs but reduce it's consumption in general population. Why does it have to be perfect? Your system also isn't perfect and can't account for people setting up private schooling via opting out of public education and declaring that they're teaching their children at home.

As long as it reduces inequality then surely it should be implemented?

Ban private tutoring all you like - you can't ban:

*Family members tutoring their relatives' kids (or even parents tutoring their own children
*Books and other educational resources

[im so academic]

(Original post by sachi)
I find that actually going to a private school can harm your chances of getting into uni due to unis having to allow a percentage of state schooled children in. It should be based on acedemia, not where you go to.

And certain state schools are actually better than some private schools, it usually depends on the area.

That's nonsense. There may be a few courses that have a quota for state schooled students, but whole universities? No. There is no quota system at present - otherwise rich parents would just send their children to state schools and invest the money saved from not paying fees into private tutoring.

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by im so academic)
Bull**** - parents would just send their children to private schools abroad.



Ban private tutoring all you like - you can't ban:

*Family members tutoring their relatives' kids (or even parents tutoring their own children
*Books and other educational resources

If the teachers do their job properly there'll be no need for private tutoring, but I'm not saying education will be 100% fair but it would be fairer.

Stop acting like you're some Government representative, we're not sitting around a table trying to figure out how this will work I've just made a thread to discuss that it's unfair which we've established thus far. Don't ask me how to achieve these things because I don't know, but it can't be ignored.

[Mendeleev's Table]

(Original post by Miracle Day)
If the teachers do their job properly there'll be no need for private tutoring, but I'm not saying education will be 100% fair but it would be fairer.

Stop acting like you're some Government representative, we're not sitting around a table trying to figure out how this will work I've just made a thread to discuss that it's unfair which we've established thus far. Don't ask me how to achieve these things because I don't know, but it can't be ignored.

How exactly can you ask for a discussion, if you already have an ill-conceived answer and stick your fingers in your ear when somebody corrects you.


....Oh wait, you must be trolling.

(You avoided my last post again, by the way)