[Blutooth]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
Lol can I just say that your spoiler is hilarious, I'm sure people are not familiar with Oxford.

Good to see fellow naija's doing well.

The bigger the better And thank you. Which tribe are you from?

[Odin.]

(Original post by hprmc)
i havent read all the messages on this but im a bit angry atm and this discussion seemed relevent...
in the A2 biology exam that we did today there was a question that came up that was IDENTICAL to a question that came up in a 2003 past paper... it was as if they had photocopied the page and put it into our exam.
apparently, in some private schools the students were given te 2003 past paper and the markscheme the day before the exam and told to do it specifically... what does that tell you?

In an AS OCR physics exam I was going through all the past papers and there was one question I didn't understand. I asked my physics teacher about it and he thought I was crazy going through all the past papers and assured me the question wouldn't come up again.

I got into the exam and looked through the paper and of course that question was there, the question I asked him about.

[RANT]I go to a state school and don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about the school there are great teachers (also I got into a good uni for physics) but the two teachers I had for physics in A2 made it horrible to endue throughout the year. One is very clever but often in a bad mood and we don't have many lessons with her. The other (who I had more of) is so incompetent that I'm going to complain about him when my exams are done. He doesn't understand physics and his lessons are painful. Other people in the class say he's a good teacher and then wonder why they get Ds and Es (inb4 work hard). I only started enjoying physics in the week before each exam when I was cramming the course in and could actually appreciate it.[/RANT]

what the people who are saying "work hard in state school HURRRR do well" life isn't all about the grades you come out with end. I would have enjoyed physics much more if I had better teachers. At a private school there are more likely to be better teachers.

[canŵio]

i've been to private and state schools, and I'd say that much more was expected of those in my private school. the teachers actually cared. the kids actually cared. people did well because it was expected of them. my largest a-level class was 11 people. in some subjects, there were 1 to 1 classes. getting the attention you needed (and having teachers who wanted to help) made a huge difference.

i think expectation makes a massive difference. which is why i think grammar schools are a good idea. i got good GCSE grades and pretty good a-level grades because getting a D didn't even enter my imagination. we had school from 8 - 4:30 and through my a-levels i stayed every day to do homework, sometimes til 8pm. our form tutor would stay in her office to help us if we needed it.

it's not that everyone in private schools gets As and A*s. it's just that more people seem to reach their potential. the teachers knew all of us personally, and would help us with problems anytime we needed them to. i'm now teaching in a (very good) state school, and it's just not the same. school ends at 3:45 and 4 o'clock it's a ghost town - all the pupils and teachers run out of the door. when i was at school, it was a place we wanted to be - it was enjoyable. but that might not be because it was a private school - maybe it was just a good school.

[Tsunami2011]

(Original post by Blutooth)
The bigger the better And thank you. Which tribe are you from?

I'm Yoruba, what about you?

Don't think my pops has got over my rejection up to this day.

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Deep456)
Of course I am, how can someone comment about the differences between the state and private sector without actually attending both?

I have direct first hand experience of both, clearly I am in a better position to judge

When you grow up and go into the adult world you'll come to realise that expertise comes from a broad and detailed understanding of a subject base. I am no more an expert in breakfast cereal for my eating it each day than a nutritionist with no taste for it. You call me a moron, but dare to suggest that your very limited experience of the schooling system puts you in a better position to pass judgement, despite the posibility that you experience may not be typical, your judgement may be suspect, you understanding might very well be poorer than someone without your experience etcetc

I put to you that you might be the moron, with your vast experience of having 'been to a few schools'.

[lottie44442]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
It is true that working hard will take you a good way along the road to academic success, but it is clear that typical state schools are not conducive to that.

I wish that more people here understood this!!

[Iron Lady]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
I worked for 13 years in mental health and substance misuse - i've seen it all. I'm just reacting to point out that someone who suggests preventing people from breeding based on their own personal view of what are important skills to have, or what are important disabilities or flaws to not have, is the very worst type of person.

Excuse me? So you think it's OK for a child to be brought up in a broken home?

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Iron Lady)
Excuse me? So you think it's OK for a child to be brought up in a broken home?

I have no idea what you're talking about. Literally no idea. But wherever you got this broken train of thought from you can stick it.

The post you have quoted is some way along the line discussing another posters claim that people that fail intelligence tests should not be allowed to breed. Do you have any idea how upsetting it is that not one other poster here pointed out just how ****ing sick that is.

[Iron Lady]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
I have no idea what you're talking about. Literally no idea. But wherever you got this broken train of thought from you can stick it.

The post you have quoted is some way along the line discussing another posters claim that people that fail intelligence tests should not be allowed to breed. Do you have any idea how upsetting it is that not one other poster here pointed out just how ****ing sick that is.

I understand it may border on becoming illiberal, but you have to think of the children and the wider society.

I am merely referring to irresponsible parents, i.e. those who do not care about their child. That is not fair for the child who has no choice in the matter.

Why are you being so aggressive towards me?

[lukewarm3]

(Original post by Iron Lady)
I understand it may border on becoming illiberal, but you have to think of the children and the wider society.

I am merely referring to irresponsible parents, i.e. those who do not care about their child. That is not fair for the child who has no choice in the matter.

Why are you being so aggressive towards me?

I think ur right. its just uve gone wildly off topic which is quite annoying

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by Iron Lady)
I understand it may border on becoming illiberal, but you have to think of the children and the wider society.

I am merely referring to irresponsible parents, i.e. those who do not care about their child. That is not fair for the child who has no choice in the matter.

Why are you being so aggressive towards me?

Please don't patronise me and try to paint me into some neat little mockable generalisation. The idea that a breeding intelligence test is despicable is not 'liberal'. Its you that since changed your tune.

[im so academic]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
Please don't patronise me and try to paint me into some neat little mockable generalisation. The idea that a breeding intelligence test is despicable is not 'liberal'. Its you that since changed your tune.

In this situation, "liberal" means that no matter how much of a dumb **** you are - you have the right to have multiple children.

[Mister Dead]

(Original post by im so academic)
In this situation, "liberal" means that no matter how much of a dumb **** you are - you have the right to have multiple children.

You are aware that its not people who fail intelligence tests that are responsible for setting in motion most of the great catastrophes of the 20th and 21st century. You know that for the greater part, people or 'dumbasses' as you call them are responsible for little more than existing in greater numbers. How do you square all of this up with yourself. Economic crisis costing billions of taxpayers money, bungled, unlawful military interventions killing millions of civillians, corporate crime on a level that makes benefit fraud look like pocket money theft blah blah blah. How do you square this all with your ridiculous notion that people with your pathetically undefined low intelligence should be prevented from breeding for our own good.

[hannah60000]

(Original post by im so academic)
"Free" (in a monetary sense) is a relative term. There are two options for education: either you pay to attend school or you don't pay to attend school. The latter indicates a "free" education as you do not pay to attend school.

It's only to a certain extent as well. Of course state education is paid for by taxes.

How the **** are you meant to create a state education system out of virtually nothing?

It has to come from somewhere, hence the phrase "there is no such thing as a free lunch".

If you don't pay, the costs would ultimately come from somewhere else. In the case of state education, you don't pay to attend school because the cost is spread around everyone with higher-earners contributing more and parents who pay for private school effectively paying for other children. What ****ing more do you want?

Oh me I'm find my secondary school was funded and ran really well, I got many chances and opportunities to do extra subjects and stretch my self (money well spent), however I know in other schools that is not the case

Yes, thank you for pointing out the obvious, I know the government needs money to fund programs and takes it via taxes, I'm just pointing out the fact education is not "free" as you where implying what do you expect when education is free (funded by the sate) compared to private education where you pay for it directly in greater amount so it must be better?

[im so academic]

(Original post by hannah60000)
Oh me I'm find my secondary school was funded and ran really well, I got many chances and opportunities to do extra subjects and stretch my self (money well spent), however I know in other schools that is not the case

Yes, thank you for pointing out the obvious, I know the government needs money to fund programs and takes it via taxes, I'm just pointing out the fact education is not "free" as you where implying what do you expect when education is free (funded by the sate) compared to private education where you pay for it directly in greater amount so it must be better?

Of course if you pay for education it is of better quality!

[Iron Lady]

(Original post by Mister Dead)
Please don't patronise me and try to paint me into some neat little mockable generalisation. The idea that a breeding intelligence test is despicable is not 'liberal'. Its you that since changed your tune.

I'm finding it difficult to follow your argument, can you write in proper sentences please?

Why are you so against efficiency for the taxpayer anyhow?

[Torpedo Fish]

(Original post by im so academic)
Of course if you pay for education it is of better quality!

An over-simplistic generalisation: Thomas Telford School for example (a state school) achieved 100% A*-C grades at GCSE, whereas Bedales School (an independent school) only manged 51% A*-C grades at GCSE.

[im so academic]

(Original post by Torpedo Fish)
An over-simplistic generalisation: Thomas Telford School for example (a state school) achieved 100% A*-C grades at GCSE, whereas Bedales School (an independent school) only manged 51% A*-C grades at GCSE.

Statistics can be manipulated to show anything.

[Torpedo Fish]

(Original post by im so academic)
Statistics can be manipulated to show anything.

What are you talking about? It is an indisputable fact that pupils at Thomas Telford (state) School consistently outperform pupils at Bedales (independent) school in terms of GCSE results, and by a very substantial margin. These figures are published independently by The Good Schools Guide, the BBC, the Independent, the Times etc etc, all of which have very different political agendas.

[Blutooth]

(Original post by Tsunami2011)
I'm Yoruba, what about you?

Don't think my pops has got over my rejection up to this day.

Proudly Efik.

Yup lol, Nigerian parents really stress the value of education. I can remember being told to stick out my hands as a 6 yr old for getting my times-tables wrong. But I guess I can't complain as that probably got me into OXford.

I was actually rejected from CAmbridge before I took my gap year and got into the big O . Decided to change course and follow my true interests. Anyway GL with your Law course.