[johit]

Is gay porn degrading? Porn is often seen as the objectification of women but is it the same case when only men are involved?

Give us your thoughts


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[Steevee]

No more so than Straight Porn?

And to be honest I don't really see that as 'degrading'.

[sammy-lou]

I think porn can potentially be degrading for either parties. It depends what is being done!

I think straight or gay porn when it's between two consenting adults who are doing in front of a camera whatever they'd be comfortable doing in privacy shouldn't be considered degrading. It's when it goes outside someones comfort zone etc that it isn't quite right.

[johit]

Surely in privacy it is not porn?


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[a.partridge]

it's probably pretty degrading if somebody catches you watching it

[ScheduleII]

"Between two consenting adults in private", a moderate sexual ethic, excludes porn. You don't have privacy with a lens there so your pics can be sold on to any hairy-palmed raincoater (or normal well adjusted guy, or couple looking to improve their sexual relationship etc.)

[Chumbaniya]

In a general sense, neither straight, nor gay, nor any other sort of porn is degrading. Sometimes if there are questionable practices that go into convincing people to appear on camera, that's degrading, but that's a completely different issue.

[Miracle Day]

No?

[prog2djent]

People underestimate how much the amature, self filmed and webcam stuff is destroying the mainstream industry, most of which is from couples and people that want to do it, no company, no cash and no filmcrew involved.

[katyness]

I never understood how straight porn could be degrading for women and I surely don't understand how gay porn could be degrading for men.

Porn is a job. Surely not the most glamorous or respectable job but it is a job nonetheless. [I hope] Both parties agree to do it and they are paid for it. So what's the fuss about?

[willbee]

I think gay porn even more than straight porn would probably let people enjoy themselves sexually in a way they might not be able to in real life, because of all the complications that come with being gay. I think it must be a lot more difficult to find a partner or even to be open about the fact that you have that desire, so if anything I would say that gay porn is the opposite of degrading. Or maybe not. I don't really know what I'm talking about...

[ScheduleII]

(Original post by katyness)
I never understood how straight porn could be degrading for women and I surely don't understand how gay porn could be degrading for men.

Porn is a job. Surely not the most glamorous or respectable job but it is a job nonetheless. [I hope] Both parties agree to do it and they are paid for it. So what's the fuss about?

Erm... the fact that much "consensual" porn is produced by women who sign the model release because of drug addiction, are mentally ill, feel the need to re-enact their childhood sex abuse for others to see as they never got the right support, or are in some other way too damaged to get a normal job? And that once you get into the industry most girls are forced to quickly move to hard-core material to stay in it?

[katyness]

(Original post by ScheduleII)
Erm... the fact that much "consensual" porn is produced by women who sign the model release because of drug addiction, are mentally ill, feel the need to re-enact their childhood sex abuse for others to see as they never got the right support, or are in some other way too damaged to get a normal job? And that once you get into the industry most girls are forced to quickly move to hard-core material to stay in it?

Not all of them. I've seen documentaries about this. Some women get into the business because they want the money. And those were the cases I was talking about.

I thought the whole "girls are getting forced into this" was all gone

[word2yamother]

Sex for pleasure is natural for human beings and if someone chooses to get paid while doing it I don't see how it can be degrading whether male or female.

[ScheduleII]

(Original post by katyness)
Not all of them. I've seen documentaries about this. Some women get into the business because they want the money. And those were the cases I was talking about.

I thought the whole "girls are getting forced into this" was all gone

I know not everyone in porn is forced/coerced into it... there are plenty who are though, the same as for prostitution or any other part of the sex industry. There is a continuum between full and free consent and absolute non-consent as in genuine rape videos, even though the law must draw the line somewhere it can still be immoral to use some people.

The legal/overground porn industry is pretty good at keeping out girls who have been literally forced, or are underage (2257 etc.) but knowingly acquiesces in working with many whose consent is at best ambiguous. Jesse Jane, Tera Patrick, the ones in top end (cover stars for big studios: Vivid, Wicked, Girlfriends Films, Evil Empire) should be safe; mid-level girls who play supporting roles or go on box-cover for the lower grade studios will face pressure to do anal, DP, etc. even if they specified they did not wish to do so just to stay in work in Porno Valley while the European scene is not so bad for that; girls in less prominent roles or doing "extreme" things are likely to be less functional and less able to freely refuse.

Jim Powers admits that "most of the people who come into this business are broken toys... they couldn't even hold down a job at McDonald's but I pay them rent, I'm helping these girls." He specialises in machine penetration, gagging, the American Bukkake and American Gokkun series and other gonzo/ultra hardcore. Don't these girls deserve help with their problems, instead of a paycheck to last the month in exchange for swallowing a container of thick semen fried on a stove or taking a fist up their bum? Is what he says not evidence of something deeply wrong with the sex industry in general: it offers an easy but exploitative solution to the problems of (mainly) troubled young women?

Some girls from the very darkest core of the underground, even below the rings and tiny angels, end up in the mainstream industry. You'd never know which ones, but for them it's a continuation of being used by anyone and everyone.

Banning porn would not necessarily help though. When hard porn was illegal in the UK (until late 1990s) this plus serious organised crime, monstrous levels of police corruption and other circumstances not so easily spelt out here led to a market in London and other cities where the under/over ground dichotomy was tenuous at best and the same people were involved from normal hardcore to close to the core of darkness.

[TimmonaPortella]

(Original post by Steevee)
No more so than Straight Porn?

And to be honest I don't really see that as 'degrading'.

Agreed.

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by johit)
Surely in privacy it is not porn?


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Sorry I didn't make that clear. I meant if they'd be comfortable doing it in privacy, then doing it for porn isn't really degrading for them.

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by prog2djent)
People underestimate how much the amature, self filmed and webcam stuff is destroying the mainstream industry, most of which is from couples and people that want to do it, no company, no cash and no filmcrew involved.

Has someone been watching Louis Theroux?

[dizzy09]

(Original post by ScheduleII)
I know not everyone in porn is forced/coerced into it... there are plenty who are though, the same as for prostitution or any other part of the sex industry. There is a continuum between full and free consent and absolute non-consent as in genuine rape videos, even though the law must draw the line somewhere it can still be immoral to use some people.

The legal/overground porn industry is pretty good at keeping out girls who have been literally forced, or are underage (2257 etc.) but knowingly acquiesces in working with many whose consent is at best ambiguous. Jesse Jane, Tera Patrick, the ones in top end (cover stars for big studios: Vivid, Wicked, Girlfriends Films, Evil Empire) should be safe; mid-level girls who play supporting roles or go on box-cover for the lower grade studios will face pressure to do anal, DP, etc. even if they specified they did not wish to do so just to stay in work in Porno Valley while the European scene is not so bad for that; girls in less prominent roles or doing "extreme" things are likely to be less functional and less able to freely refuse.

Jim Powers admits that "most of the people who come into this business are broken toys... they couldn't even hold down a job at McDonald's but I pay them rent, I'm helping these girls." He specialises in machine penetration, gagging, the American Bukkake and American Gokkun series and other gonzo/ultra hardcore. Don't these girls deserve help with their problems, instead of a paycheck to last the month in exchange for swallowing a container of thick semen fried on a stove or taking a fist up their bum? Is what he says not evidence of something deeply wrong with the sex industry in general: it offers an easy but exploitative solution to the problems of (mainly) troubled young women?

Some girls from the very darkest core of the underground, even below the rings and tiny angels, end up in the mainstream industry. You'd never know which ones, but for them it's a continuation of being used by anyone and everyone.

Banning porn would not necessarily help though. When hard porn was illegal in the UK (until late 1990s) this plus serious organised crime, monstrous levels of police corruption and other circumstances not so easily spelt out here led to a market in London and other cities where the under/over ground dichotomy was tenuous at best and the same people were involved from normal hardcore to close to the core of darkness.

Agree with everything in this post.

I'm sure a lot of users have heard of Linda Lovelace, Deep Throat star? She spoke out against the pornography industry, and revealed that Deep Throat was effectively a rape being sold as porn.

The One Angry Woman website has a number of former pornstars who spoke out against the porn industry; If a woman is re-enacting a childhood rape to deal with her PTSD, and the porn industry is exploiting that, how the hell can someone support that? If a woman has been coerced into the industry, then every time you see her on screen, you're effectively watching a rape. And the exact same goes for the male pornstars.

[*Hakz*]

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