[doggyfizzel]

Pretty sure you have to sign up for TSR, your username has an email and what not associated with it. There is no need for IP tracking.

As has been said troll in the media, the definition used by 50 years old who just got Facebook, is very different from the youths definition. The Louise Mensch guy who was labelled a troll after sending death threats. I think that is the kind of troll they are talking about rather than the neck-clicker.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by madders94)
There's a difference between the trolls you get on here who are just silly and aren't going to be targeted by these plans and the real targets, the sick excuses for people who create fake profiles and post disgusting, sickening messages on the facebook pages of people who've lost children, or support groups for bereaved families and even tribute pages for people. They need to be stopped and I fully support this movement.

I've never made fun of a person who had a kid die, over the internet, but why would people make tribute pages, it's putting themselves out there for trouble and it silly because the kid dying is a very private thing for the family to mourn.


Que people telling me I have no right to dictate to others how they should grieve

[Mad Vlad]

(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Pretty sure you have to sign up for TSR, your username has an email and what not associated with it. There is no need for IP tracking.

As has been said troll in the media, the definition used by 50 years old who just got Facebook, is very different from the youths definition. The Louise Mensch guy what labelled a troll, after sending death threats. I think that is the kind of troll they are talking about rather than the neck-clicker.

I could quite easily sign up for an email account:

sorrydoggyfizzel.notgoingtotrace me@gmail.com

with bogus personal information.

Then what are you going to do? It's incredibly easy to obfuscate your true identity online.

[morecambebay]

In b4 simple criticism gets classed as trolling.

[madders94]

(Original post by TheHansa)
I've never made fun of a person who had a kid die, over the internet, but why would people make tribute pages, it's putting themselves out there for trouble and it silly because the kid dying is a very private thing for the family to mourn.


Que people telling me I have no right to dictate to others how they should grieve

It's more when the person is our age and they die, and their friends create a tribute page to them and I think it's generally intended for people to post their condolences to the family etc and also to pass on information about memorial services/tributes. Personally I wouldn't want one created about me if I was to die because it just invites trolls but I don't think that's any excuse for people to get away with trolling these pages.

[alex5455]

bad news for dykwia

[doggyfizzel]

(Original post by Mad Vlad)
I could quite easily sign up for an email account:

sorrydoggyfizzel.notgoingtotrace me@gmail.com

with bogus personal information.

Then what are you going to do? It's incredibly easy to obfuscate your true identity online.

I get that, I thought the idea was just to remove the need to get into a legal battle with TSR. Rather than battling TSR in court to see the details of the user, then pursuing the user. TSR would have a responsibility to divulge those details so you proceed straight to the user.

The ultimate problem is still there, that actions on a computer cannot be guaranteed to be perpetrated by the owner of the equipment or account or the bill payer, would still remain. You can't tell who is at the other end.

[Mad Vlad]

(Original post by doggyfizzel)
I get that, I thought the idea was just to remove the need to get into a legal battle with TSR. Rather than battling TSR in court to see the details of the user, then pursuing the user. TSR would have a responsibility to divulge those details so you proceed straight to the user.

The ultimate problem is still there, that actions on a computer cannot be guaranteed to be perpetrated by the owner of the equipment or account or the bill payer, would still remain. You can't tell who is at the other end.

Absolutely. So it's a meaningless piece of legislation. All it will do is drive trolls to use more extreme measures of obfuscation, like proxies, Tor networks etc.

[Mad Vlad]

(Original post by alex5455)
bad news for dykwia

Not seen him around for a while, actually...

[Kiss]

(Original post by alex5455)
bad news for dykwia

He isn't a troll, he just has radical views.

[doggyfizzel]

(Original post by Mad Vlad)
Absolutely. So it's a meaningless piece of legislation. All it will do is drive trolls to use more extreme measures of obfuscation, like proxies, Tor networks etc.

Although it will be no easier to catch those who don't wish to be caught, I guess it will save time. Rather than a lengthy court process which leads to a dead end, the dead end will be reached without obstruction. Saving websites time and money and making it more viable for ordinary people to pursue trolls through the courts.

[Mad Vlad]

(Original post by doggyfizzel)
Although it will be no easier to catch those who don't wish to be caught, I guess it will save time. Rather than a lengthy court process which leads to a dead end, the dead end will be reached without obstruction. Saving websites time and money and making it more viable for ordinary people to pursue trolls through the courts.

I dislike the idea that you can just request people's personal details without a judicial process, though. (I've not read the proposal, so I might be over-simplifying here) There's an even easier way to save time and money, and that's put on a pair of sunglasses and say: deal with it. It's legislation for legislation's sake - it'll have very little impact. As soon as people become aware of the potential for prosecution, they'll just use the simple, freely available tools at their disposal to hide their identities. It's far FAR harder for anything meaningful to come from such a complaint if everyone's gone underground because of an ineffective law.

There's a history of governments trying to interfere with the internet and how it works, and "chequered" is too soft an adjective to describe the success in their implementation. They should leave well alone and allow the industry to regulate itself.

[alex5455]

(Original post by Mad Vlad)
Not seen him around for a while, actually...

hes back today unfortunately, with this explanation as to why a socilist country has a higher hdi than the united states of fail,
Gays and gay-philes like you are destroying our country. The only reason our HDI is lower than it should be is because of the gays who make our country worse.

[Mad Vlad]

(Original post by alex5455)
hes back today unfortunately, with this explanation as to why a socilist country has a higher hdi than the united states of fail,
Gays and gay-philes like you are destroying our country. The only reason our HDI is lower than it should be is because of the gays who make our country worse.

Funny stuff. I think he's avoiding me after I so comprehensively destroyed him in a thread about a month or so ago.

[apupa]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/c...-2012061129880

(Original post by AspiringGenius)
To be honest, I don't understand the argument "I worry about the future of the Internet... Banning trolling?". I don't really see how trolling is a great feature of the internet. If it's not hurtful it's just annoying. I don't think TSR trolls (aka annoying nerds with no life) are making the Internet a better place tbh. Thankfully the mod team will continue to keep them at bay with or without these laws.

It's not the trolling that matters. It's the fact that different websites have different cultures. A one sized fits all solution only seems constricting and over the top; not to mention it's practicality and possible unintended consequences.

But of course, although in an ideal world it would be the website that keeps controls of the user generated content via moderation and bans, as you said, it's not always so easy and often times communities can be destroyed entirely by uncontrollable trolls and generally vile people (I do personally do differentiate between them), especially as the community increases in size and changes over time.

But you can't really do anything about that, things change - and sometimes it's you yourself that has changed and doesn't like the current 'content' and 'userbase'. In those times all you can do is stay and be bitter and hope that something changes or just move on and maybe even socialise with real people. I've had to move on a couple of times*.

* Although, I've stopped participating on the internet in general really. Just needed to stay awake to change sleeping pattern today, and found myself here.

[HaNzY]

(Original post by doggyfizzel)
...rather than the neck-clicker.

I remember that guy haha! So annoying and persistent!

[Great Lord Xenu]

I'm glad that they actually mean "cyberbullying", rather than "trolling", or otherwise I'd be ****ed.

[Will Lucky]

(Original post by Great Lord Xenu)
I'm glad that they actually mean "cyberbullying", rather than "trolling", or otherwise I'd be ****ed.

They really do seem to be confusing with the definitions here, what does trolling have to do with Cyberbullying?

[thehumorouscheese]

(Original post by Roy064)
People are confusing trolling with being a ****

So true.

My generation of teenagers seem to think that swearing at people on forums and on Xbox live is trolling.

They've spoiled the good name of trolling:

Trolling: posting something that provolks an argument while not making it obvious.

[Roy064]

(Original post by thehumorouscheese)
So true.

My generation of teenagers seem to think that swearing at people on forums and on Xbox live is trolling.

They've spoiled the good name of trolling:

Trolling: posting something that provolks an argument while not making it obvious.

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Whereas cyber-bullying and sending death threats is not. Basically, if the majority of people are going to find it funny, it's more than likely trolling, and if it's not at the expense of someone, then it's just funny.

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