[R-KAM]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
Sorry, are you stupid? Here, I'll copy and paste it for you since you are unable to yourself... The year 2001 heralded major changes for Fiorentina, as the terrible state of the club's finances was revealed: they were unable to pay wages and had debts of around USD 50 million. The club's owner, Vittorio Cecchi Gori, was able to raise some more money, but even this soon proved to be insufficient resources to sustain the club. Fiorentina were relegated at the end of the 2001–02 season and went into judicially controlled administration in June 2002. This form of bankruptcy (sports companies cannot exactly fail in this way in Italy, but they can suffer a similar procedure) meant that the club was refused a place in Serie B for the 2002–03 season, and as a result effectively ceased to exist.

Notice that last bit there? CEASED TO EXIST.

Yes it was just the two of us. When was the last time Dundee United, Aberdeen and Hibs won the league? They're not even going to win it without Rangers. All that has changed is that the same competition for 3rd place is now just of second place...

Where does it say they were liquidated? They were still around, but not in any leagues. Which being a football club can be seen as "effectively ceased to exist".They got back in by reapplying though, and my gosh, existed again.

Rangers are going to be liquidated. Meaning there is no more Rangers. There was still a Fiorentina loitering about.

(Original post by Jordan_1)
We're not talking about pre-1988 though you fool. We're talking about right now.

They won it and constantly challenged for it before Murray's millions came into play.

Now you're gone again, these teams can build back up to being teams that can challenge again.

[R-KAM]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
You mentioned those team when replying to a comment about the league being a one horse race, saying that it isn't a one horse raise because of those teams. That can only be taken as you saying that they are title contenders.

Wow, its the late 80's now is it? Silly me for worrying about Man City when I should be worrying about Leeds challenging us for the title.

No, read what's being said. He said Celtic and Rangers made the league. I said it did not. The league was at it's best when Celtic, Rangers, Dundee United and Aberdeen were all doing well in Europe and had 4 or 5 contenders for the league each season. Not this two horse race we've had since the 2000s (it was a one horse race all the 90s)

No, but the league will no longer be financially doped, the playing fields will even out and other teams will take Rangers place as title challengers eventually.

[Jordan_1]

(Original post by R-KAM)
Where does it say they were liquidated? They were still around, but not in any leagues. Which being a football club can be seen as "effectively ceased to exist".They got back in by reapplying though, and my gosh, existed again.

Rangers are going to be liquidated. Meaning there is no more Rangers. There was still a Fiorentina loitering about.




They won it and constantly challenged for it before Murray's millions came into play.

Now you're gone again, these teams can build back up to being teams that can challenge again.

No they were not 'still around' hence the reason they had to be 'refounded in 2002'. They also had to change their name from Associazione Calcio Fiorentina to Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola. None of the players stayed apart from one.

In 2003 they bought back the right to use the Fiorentina name and original shirt design, and re-incorporated itself as ACF Fiorentina.

But no, these teams are no where near good enough to challenge again. Celtic already have too much power. In around 5 years time a new form of Rangers will likely to be back in the SPL anyway.

[R-KAM]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
No they were not 'still around' hence the reason they had to be 'refounded in 2002'. They also had to change their name from Associazione Calcio Fiorentina to Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola. None of the players stayed apart from one.

In 2003 they bought back the right to use the Fiorentina name and original shirt design, and re-incorporated itself as ACF Fiorentina.

But no, these teams are no where near good enough to challenge again. Celtic already have too much power. In around 5 years time a new form of Rangers will likely to be back in the SPL anyway.

You keep telling us how much worse Celtic are going to get though? So surely they'll catch us in terms of quality?

Honestly then, do you think there will be a Rangers next year at the minute?

[FrigidSymphony]

The doublethink at work here is astounding. One the one hand, Celtic are going to be ****. On the other hand, Celtic are going to win everything. Rangers fans aren't the brightest bunch, are they.

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Its hilarious how people actually think a league that only one team can ever win can be described as good. At least left hand drive will have plenty more pictures of meaningless trophies to put in his sig over the coming years.

The SPL trophy is not meaningless to any Scottish football fan.


They will come back like Gretna. A complete new team.

[Celtic_Anthony]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
You mentioned those team when replying to a comment about the league being a one horse race, saying that it isn't a one horse raise because of those teams. That can only be taken as you saying that they are title contenders. Wow, its the late 80's now is it? Silly me for worrying about Man City when I should be worrying about Leeds challenging us for the title.

Several things are curious about your continued posting on this subject. Firstly, you seem determined to repeat the same idea over and over and over again, perhaps insecure that it wasn't noticed the first, second or tenth time. (We noticed). Secondly, you have no apparent vested interest in this, which makes your omnipresence in these threads rather puzzling. Your ignorance would confirm you're not really that well read up on the subject. Thirdly, you are frustratingly limited in your thinking, so fixated on the short term. Nobody is arguing that the league will become competitive overnight, that would, indeed, be ludicrous. By the same token, your apparent view that the league will be permanently uncompetitive is equally ridiculous.

Nothing is permanent in football, the league will adapt as it has previously. New challengers replace old.The idea that we allow a team that acted contrary to the rules and the law of the land in such massive fashion to re-enter the league is repugnant. It goes against all meaningful sense of justice. It would be utterly spineless to permit such flagrant cheating. It would also cut against a key principle of sport, that all rules apply equally to everyone.

[barnetlad]

I am not surprised that the CVA was rejected, if the offer was 9p in the pound. The lesson from that is perhaps the law should only allow CVAs to be an option if above a certain level. I would say 50p in the pound but others may differ.

If the SPL and SFL were one competition then starting again in a lower division would be the likely outcome. I'm not so sure that will happen.

Given the HMRC involvement over the tax debts and the suggestion that other clubs (at least in England) might be next to be targeted by HMRC, I had a conversation a few weeks ago speculating who they might be. The three of us concluded as possibilities Middlesbrough, Bolton, Portsmouth and Leeds. We may have been very wide of the mark, but it will be interesting to see who HMRC target next.

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by R-KAM)
They won it and constantly challenged for it before Murray's millions came into play.

Now you're gone again, these teams can build back up to being teams that can challenge again.

The Dons will Stand Free at the top of the SPL once again!

[Jim-Jam]

(Original post by R-KAM)
Nope

We don't miss cheaters. Bring back the days when Scottish football was good

HAHAHAHA LOL.

It's **** and will be even more so. I always took Celtic over Rangers as my preferred Scottish team from my Grandad but I'd hate if massive rivals and especially the only other big club in the country disappeared.

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by Jim-Jam)
HAHAHAHA LOL.

It's **** and will be even more so. I always took Celtic over Rangers as my preferred Scottish team from my Grandad but I'd hate if massive rivals and especially the only other big club in the country disappeared.

In short term it may be but in the long term a team will replace rangers as contenders for top spot. Also the battle for second spot and a champions league spot is you going to be the most exciting it has been in years.

[Left Hand Drive]

(Original post by Shabalala)
wouldn't really care if we went to the 3rd division there will be no European Football for 3 years anyway regardless and it would be impossible to win the SPL with points deductions and clubs in the SFL are allowed to negotiate their own TV deals unlike the SPL teams so once Sky pull out of the SPL or cut it dramatically we can arrange our own TV deal and keep all the money while the smaller clubs in the SFL would get to benifit from additional ticket money from travelling fans.

[jhuntley93]

but lets be serious, how many rangers fans would go week in week out to watch the likes to annan athletic, east stirlingshire and elgin city. dont think they will get more than 10,000 fans for a home game by the end of the season. (also no disrespect meant to the clubs i mentioned)

[R-KAM]

(Original post by jhuntley93)
but lets be serious, how many rangers fans would go week in week out to watch the likes to annan athletic, east stirlingshire and elgin city. dont think they will get more than 10,000 fans for a home game by the end of the season. (also no disrespect meant to the clubs i mentioned)

Assuming a NewCo even get into Div 3, I see them being down the lower leagues for a long time. Unless they over-spend to romp the leagues, putting them in the same situations they're already in.

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by jhuntley93)
but lets be serious, how many rangers fans would go week in week out to watch the likes to annan athletic, east stirlingshire and elgin city. dont think they will get more than 10,000 fans for a home game by the end of the season. (also no disrespect meant to the clubs i mentioned)

I'd love watching Rangers get thumped by Morton or something. The pisstaking to be had would be extraordinary.

[AverageExcellence]

Who will buy a flute for 50 pence now ?

[Mechie]

(Original post by jhuntley93)
but lets be serious, how many rangers fans would go week in week out to watch the likes to annan athletic, east stirlingshire and elgin city. dont think they will get more than 10,000 fans for a home game by the end of the season. (also no disrespect meant to the clubs i mentioned)

10000 fans in the 3rd division would be easily enough to buy the league from the revenue, when other teams are getting gates of 2/300.

[Celtic_Anthony]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
Who will buy a flute for 50 pence now ?

They only did that when they were young.

[Sephiroth]

It makes no difference if they get relegated for a few years. They can't qualify for Europe regardless.

[Left Hand Drive]

I have no sympathy. Their "we are the people" attitude lead them to this. They still think that if they go to the 3rd division its them telling us they are going other than them being kicked out.