Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?You said likelihood, meaning that gay parents would still raise both straight and gay kids and straight parents would still raise both straight and gay kids. So there would always be both straight and gay people.(Original post by ufo2012)
With gay parents there is a higher likelihood that the children would also be more likely to be gay and it wouldn't suffice to have a nation full of gays... there then would be no more children born.
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?If you think a gay man can love a child like a Mother can you are dreaming. Men don't bond with babies like Mothers do....it's a biological fact.(Original post by hatwoman)
As long as your parent/parents love you, it doesn't matter what gender or whatever. At the end of the day, a child needs love, plain and simple. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Evidence for that?(Original post by snozzle)
If you think a gay man can love a child like a Mother can you are dreaming. Men don't bond with babies like Mothers do....it's a biological fact.
We were taught that babies attach to their primary caregiver, whoever that may be. It tends to be the mother, but not always.
There are stay-at-home dads and single fathers who may have lost their female partner in childbirth or she may have left them, do you think these children go unloved? -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?No I mean a Mother attaches to their babies too. It's influenced by hormonal states caused by birth.(Original post by minimarshmallow)
Evidence for that?
We were taught that babies attach to their primary caregiver, whoever that may be. It tends to be the mother, but not always.
There are stay-at-home dads and single fathers who may have lost their female partner in childbirth or she may have left them, do you think these children go unloved?
Men playing at being a mum is obscene.
You are taking advantage of the very broad use that the word love has in our language. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?There is a higher probability that they will come out as gay if they are, but not necessarily that they will actually be gay in the first place.(Original post by ufo2012)
With gay parents there is a higher likelihood that the children would also be more likely to be gay and it wouldn't suffice to have a nation full of gays... there then would be no more children born. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Just because they don't attach in the same way doesn't mean that the baby won't be as loved. In fact you could say the love was even more genuine because instead of being dictated by a hormone they are desperately wanted and have taken a lot of time and effort to get.(Original post by snozzle)
No I mean a Mother attaches to their babies too. It's influenced by hormonal states caused by birth.
Men playing at being a mum is obscene.
You are taking advantage of the very broad use that the word love has in our language.
I don't see how it is obscene in any way that a child has two loving parents. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Cold acquisitiveness isn't necessarily leading to love.(Original post by minimarshmallow)
Just because they don't attach in the same way doesn't mean that the baby won't be as loved. In fact you could say the love was even more genuine because instead of being dictated by a hormone they are desperately wanted and have taken a lot of time and effort to get.
I don't see how it is obscene in any way that a child has two loving parents.
Yes men can raise and look after kids, so can robots and wolves it seems too. What is the best though? -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?(Original post by snozzle)
If you think a gay man can love a child like a Mother can you are dreaming. Men don't bond with babies like Mothers do....it's a biological fact.
I wouldn't say men playing mum is "obscene". For example, the first parent that held me was my dad because my mum was unconscious (birth issues).(Original post by snozzle)
No I mean a Mother attaches to their babies too. It's influenced by hormonal states caused by birth.
Men playing at being a mum is obscene.
You are taking advantage of the very broad use that the word love has in our language.
Then, he took paternity leave and raised me for the first five years of my life, while my mum was the major breadwinner of the house.
I would say particularly for the early years of my life, my dad was definately closer than my mother to me. Although on a biological level, I agree mothers are closer. Due to individual circumstances, this si not always the case. In your brash use of language, what you said could be seen as offensive to certain eyes.
I know exactly what you are saying, just for future argument purposes, try not to go about it in such a cantankerous manner
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Well the research shows that same-sex couples raise children just as well as opposite-sex couples, so two loving parents is probably best...(Original post by snozzle)
Cold acquisitiveness isn't necessarily leading to love.
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?I don't believe it is within the remit of science to decide what 'doing well' is.(Original post by minimarshmallow)
Well the research shows that same-sex couples raise children just as well as opposite-sex couples, so two loving parents is probably best... -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?i'd rather have a mother and father than 2 fathers. I imagine there are certain things mothers bring to the table that two fathers couldn't. having said that, a child with 2 fathers is probably better off than with just 1 single father, if you put aside the getting made fun of at school or whatever.
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?So if someone is deemed to be mentally healthy, within 1 standard deviation of the general intelligence, has a roughly average amount of friends, isn't above the average amount of crime etc. they haven't been raised well?(Original post by snozzle)
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?No offence intended to anyone, but it is commonly seen that within a gay couple there is always one more feminine partner and one more masculine. I feel that this would enable a child to have a similar "mother" relationship and "father" relationship anyway, as surely the more feminine partner would take on the role typically attributed to the female parent (i.e the mother) anyway. But also, there are children who may for some reason lose their mother/father and only be brought up with one parent anyway and unless there is evidence against it, surely these children are fine if done properly. So, it seems to me that to have two male parents/two female parents would yield a similar result, particularly if the relationship does have a more feminine and more masculine partner.
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Not to mention that if these stereotypes don't exist male and female gender role models don't have to be the parents!(Original post by infairverona)
No offence intended to anyone, but it is commonly seen that within a gay couple there is always one more feminine partner and one more masculine. I feel that this would enable a child to have a similar "mother" relationship and "father" relationship anyway, as surely the more feminine partner would take on the role typically attributed to the female parent (i.e the mother) anyway. But also, there are children who may for some reason lose their mother/father and only be brought up with one parent anyway and unless there is evidence against it, surely these children are fine if done properly. So, it seems to me that to have two male parents/two female parents would yield a similar result, particularly if the relationship does have a more feminine and more masculine partner. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Plenty of single parents do a fantastic job, so i don't see why having 2 of the same sex should make any difference. As long as they're loved, thats all that really matters.
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?What's wrong with being more than 1 SD from average intelligence?(Original post by minimarshmallow)
So if someone is deemed to be mentally healthy, within 1 standard deviation of the general intelligence, has a roughly average amount of friends, isn't above the average amount of crime etc. they haven't been raised well?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Why do you respond to the trolls?(Original post by minimarshmallow)
There are at least two things wrong with this post.
Having gay parents will not make children gay or even increase the likelihood they will be gay - the same way having straight parents doesn't make you straight.
If everyone was gay, children would still be born. Gay people have their own children, being gay doesn't make you infertile. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Family values must be protected.
However, I recognise that gay parents could do a good job, and they're probably better than some of the shocking parents who rely on social services.
