Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?One does not simply "choose" to become gay or straight. I think it is something that you either are or not from birth. Same story with skin colour. There are exceptions of course.(Original post by ufo2012)
With gay parents there is a higher likelihood that the children would also be more likely to be gay and it wouldn't suffice to have a nation full of gays... there then would be no more children born. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Oh really, take for example case A:(Original post by snozzle)
If you think a gay man can love a child like a Mother can you are dreaming. Men don't bond with babies like Mothers do....it's a biological fact.
Mother is a drug user and sells her body to make some money. She and the mate forgot to use protection. 9 months down the line she gives birth to a child. She doesn't want the child and fails to look after it. Technically, she is still a mother but doesn't bond with the child.
But I do understand what you are saying. The mother had the child in her womb for 9 months and is overprotective of the child. Gay couples can be just as over protective of babies, sometimes maybe too overprotective.
But can you see what I'm trying to say here? Just because you are a mother, it doesn't make you a good one. Plus, gay couples are more likely (on average) to provide everything the kid wants because the adoption agency will check if they have good income, not drug users etc, but you don't get asked those questions if you are pregnant or after you've given birth...only after social services have been called. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Do they really need a mother or father? hmm, ok.
Let me answer your question with a question: would you, I or anyone else for that matter, be here by any other means?
If so, I'm very intrigued as to how such a miracle is possible, or perhaps I've been brainwashed my whole life on the basic principles of human reproduction. If so, please do tell; and awaken me from the slumbers of my ignorance!
Im sorry, but on a website teeeming with stupid questions and absurd debates, this is perhaps the most innane of them all. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?This is about if you need to be raised by a mother and a father, not if you need a male and a female for biological reproduction.(Original post by Harbour)
Do they really need a mother or father? hmm, ok.
Let me answer your question with a question: would you, I or anyone else for that matter, be here by any other means?
If so, I'm very intrigued as to how such a miracle is possible, or perhaps I've been brainwashed my whole life on the basic principles of human reproduction. If so, please do tell; and awaken me from the slumbers of my ignorance!
Im sorry, but on a website teeeming with stupid questions and absurd debates, this is perhaps the most innane of them all.
Why so literal? -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?the statistics they used could be flawed....the sample of straight couples they use maybe didnt represent the vast majority of straight parents. or the gay couples they used were not same as the vast majority....(Original post by minimarshmallow)
I couldn't find anywhere where it said the researchers were gay...
And even if they were it wouldn't affect their ability to do research into families. It said they were from New York University - a prestigious institution and it's being published with critiques which means it has been extensively peer reviewed. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?I can fully vouch for that. It's irritating when people say that being gay is a choice. My uncle is gay, and he has said repeated times that if he could choose NOT to be gay, he would, due to the upset and disruption it caused within the family.(Original post by Derek.)
One does not simply "choose" to become gay or straight. I think it is something that you either are or not from birth. Same story with skin colour. There are exceptions of course.
I think the 'choice' element comes into the idea of whether a person chooses to come out about being gay or not. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?The original way? Were you there throughout all of human history? Humans have formed families based on virtually all possible combinations.(Original post by zedeneye1)
whether you like it or not, but the original way of life for human beings was 1man/1woman family....that was how humans lived in their original unchanged habitat.....in that sense, lesbianism could almost be seen as a threat to mankind as a whole cuz they are trying to change the original way of life of human beings...
You're a threat to mankind, you're using a computer. Now that is a change from the original way of life of human beings.
This is just a variant of the naturalistic fallacy. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?lol...(Original post by mmmpie)
The original way? Were you there throughout all of human history? Humans have formed families based on virtually all possible combinations.
You're a threat to mankind, you're using a computer. Now that is a change from the original way of life of human beings.
This is just a variant of the naturalistic fallacy.
Ask an archaeologist, he'll agree with what I said....
computers dont change the way our families were structured originally, naturally. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Archaeology is a hobby of mine, although if there was any evidence of what social groups humans were forming when we first emerged 200,000 years ago everybody would have heard about it.(Original post by zedeneye1)
lol...
Ask an archaeologist, he'll agree with what I said....
computers dont change the way our families were structured originally, naturally.
Leaving that aside for a moment, why is 'the original way' better? -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?penis and vagina fit(Original post by mmmpie)
Archaeology is a hobby of mine, although if there was any evidence of what social groups humans were forming when we first emerged 200,000 years ago everybody would have heard about it.
Leaving that aside for a moment, why is 'the original way' better?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Not him but aren't people meant to have a father figure and a mother figure? If both parents are the same gender, couldn't it be hard to figure out for a baby?(Original post by mmmpie)
Archaeology is a hobby of mine, although if there was any evidence of what social groups humans were forming when we first emerged 200,000 years ago everybody would have heard about it.
Leaving that aside for a moment, why is 'the original way' better?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?Why should it be? If two men adopt a child, that doesn't mean the child will never be exposed to women. The only thing you might expect is for the child to take a slightly more flexible approach than usual to traditional gender roles, and I don't think that's a bad thing really.(Original post by TheKingoftheJews)
Not him but aren't people meant to have a father figure and a mother figure? If both parents are the same gender, couldn't it be hard to figure out for a baby?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?I'll just leave this here.
What matters most to a child is not the structure of the family but the quality of family life.
There is no evidence to suggest that children who are raised by same sex couples will be anything less than or miss out on anything socially. Patterson (1992) found repeatedly in her research that children and adolescents with nonheterosexual parents report normal social relationships with family members, with peers, and with adults outside their nuclear families. She also found that the offspring of lesbian and gay parents have been at least as well adjusted overall as those of other parents. In regards to personal development, she also found that there were no major differences between the offspring of lesbian or gay parents and those of heterosexual parents. The research findings suggest that concern about difficulties in these areas among the offspring of lesbian mothers is unwarranted.
Flaks, Fitcher, Masterpasqua and Joseph (1995) determined from their sample of fifteen lesbian couple with fifteen matched heterosexual parent families. Results revealed no significant differences between the two groups of children. In addition, no significant differences were found between dyadic adjustment of lesbian and heterosexual couples. These results indicate that psychologically healthy children need not be raised by opposite-sex, heterosexual parents, a conclusion with broad psychological and legal implications.
Further more, comparisons between children in lesbian families and their counterparts from heterosexual families have found no differences in psychological well-being or in gender role behavious of boys and girls (Tasker and Golombok, 1995; Golombok and Tasker, 1996) These findings have been replicated in studies of children raised in lesbian families from birth (Golombok, 1997 and again in 2003 & 2004) The only clear difference between family types is the co-mothers are more involved with the children than fathers are in heterosexual homes. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?No they don't. I don't have the loving relationship I do with my mother and father based upon the fact they have male or female genitals. I have the relationship I have with them because of the love they have shown me and I am incredibly thankful for that.
What kind of genitals or hormones my parents have, has NO effect whatsoever on my relationship with them. Therefore, it would not matter a single bit if they both just happened to be men or both be women. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?its the natural way of how families should be structured.(Original post by mmmpie)
Your G-spot's up your arse.
What does anatomy have to do with parenting ability? -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?leave it dude...uk is fuked....move out to Colombia or something...(Original post by TheKingoftheJews)
Not him but aren't people meant to have a father figure and a mother figure? If both parents are the same gender, couldn't it be hard to figure out for a baby?
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy(Original post by zedeneye1)
its the natural way of how families should be structured. -
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Re: Do children really need one mother and one father (not gay parents)?The fact that they're being published means they've been through a peer review system which means these things will be at a minimum. And unless you've read the original research you don't know if any of these things did occur.(Original post by zedeneye1)
the statistics they used could be flawed....the sample of straight couples they use maybe didnt represent the vast majority of straight parents. or the gay couples they used were not same as the vast majority....
If you ignore evidence because it 'could' have biases in it without investigating whether or not those biases exist, you're going to have a ridiculously limited view of the world.
