[Metrobeans]

M98 - Commitment to free speech motion, internetguru

This House agrees that all free speech be it political, religious or hate speech should not be regulated by the state. We believe that a modern democratic society should refrain from any regulation of speech. We understand that sometimes speech can cause offense, however as speech regulation can easily lead to tyranny and abuse it would be unwise. The house disagrees with calls from the media to regulate 'internet trolling' as it is an infringement on a person's free speech.

[Aj12]

I disagree. I think the line should be drawn at hate speech. To allow this under freedom of speech seems bizarre

[toronto353]

I disagree with the part concerning 'trolling'. I'm all for freedom of speech, but really a lot of the time the troll isn't representing their own views so I'd be a bit hesitant to allow it or condone it.

[Kiss]

(Original post by Metrobeans)

M98 - Commitment to free speech motion, internetguru

This House agrees that all free speech be it political, religious or hate speech should not be regulated by the state. We believe that a modern democratic society should refrain from any regulation of speech. We understand that sometimes speech can cause offense, however as speech regulation can easily lead to tyranny and abuse it would be unwise. The house disagrees with calls from the media to regulate 'internet trolling' as it is an infringement on a person's free speech.

Would rep but I'm all out. Also I'm not even part of the MHoC.....

[thunder_chunky]

What about homophobic comments that could be construded as hateful to the point where ignorance about homosexuality is bred, leading to bulling, hostility and suicides?
In other words no.


Now go make me a sandwich.

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by Kiss)
Would rep but I'm all out. Also I'm not even part of the MHoC.....

You can still rep even if you aren't a member and Metrobeans is just the one posting it, he's not actually the one proposing it. Although you should probably rep him anyway in case he feels neglected. We have to look after our speakers you know. Just one rep a month can prevent our speakers feeling neglected. Act now!

[internetguru]

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
What about homophobic comments that could be construded as hateful to the point where ignorance about homosexuality is bred, leading to bulling, hostility and suicides?
In other words no.


Now go make me a sandwich.

Freedom of speech is necessary in a free society as regulating it is impossible as everything is subjective. When people talk about turning to green energy I am offended but I just suck it up and move on.

[xXedixXx]

I disagree. Words which encourage hate and racism etc.. should simply not be allowed.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Kiss)
Would rep but I'm all out. Also I'm not even part of the MHoC.....

Feel free to join in and debate as much as you want. You can join a party or just debate. Either way, welcome.

[Birchington]

I would die defending everyone's right to free speech and freedom of expression, but I do believe more needs to be done to bring internet trolls to justice as they abuse their right to freedom when abusing others. Freedom of speech must be celebrated, but using this to perpetuate hate should not be tolerated.

[internetguru]

(Original post by xXedixXx)
I disagree. Words which encourage hate and racism etc.. should simply not be allowed.

Words don't encourage hate people encourage hate and will always finds a way round restrictions. Anyway hate is part of a free society we are all free to love who we want as we are free to hate who we want.

[internetguru]

(Original post by Birchington)
I would die defending everyone's right to free speech and freedom of expression, but I do believe more needs to be done to bring internet trolls to justice as they abuse their right to freedom when abusing others. Freedom of speech must be celebrated, but using this to perpetuate hate should not be tolerated.

Trolling is part of the internet if people can't accept that then avoid websites that enable human interaction.

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by internetguru)
Freedom of speech is necessary in a free society as regulating it is impossible as everything is subjective. When people talk about turning to green energy I am offended but I just suck it up and move on.

There is difference between talking about green energy which is hard to get riled up about unless you're a nerd or a smelly hippy and something like homosexuality and gay marriage. You obviously don't realise what impact cyber bullying can have and what general bullying and harrassment can have on someone that is often still struggling with their feelings. It's not as simple as "suck it up and move one" and to dismiss it as such is just silly and callous.
I wish we could all be so cavalier and brave as you, you are after all such a warrior, such a role model but sadly we aren't and a lot of people are affected by such things which is why a line needs to be drawn. Because there will always be vunreable people in this world and they need to be protected, not just from physical threats but from verbal threats and verbal nastiness.

It's a pity you can't understand that.

[internetguru]

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
There is difference between talking about green energy which is hard to get riled up about unless you're a nerd or a smelly hippy and something like homosexuality and gay marriage. You obviously don't realise what impact cyber bullying can have and what general bullying and harrassment can have on someone that is often still struggling with their feelings. It's not as simple as "suck it up and move one" and to dismiss it as such is just silly and callous.
I wish we could all be so cavalier and brave as you, you are after all such a warrior, such a role model but sadly we aren't and a lot of people are affected by such things which is why a line needs to be drawn. Because there will always be vunreable people in this world and they need to be protected, not just from physical threats but from verbal threats and verbal nastiness.

It's a pity you can't understand that.

No they shouldn't suck it up they just need counseling or something to tackle their personal insecurities. We need to hit the root of these problems not the symptoms.

[Birchington]

(Original post by internetguru)
Trolling is part of the internet if people can't accept that then avoid websites that enable human interaction.

People have the right to free speech online and they should be allowed to give criticism. When trolls threaten violence and cause distress to their victims, that is when action must be taken. It is nothing more than cowardly to hide behind an online trolling dupe and threaten people. The recent Frank Zimmerman case is a good example of the abuse of free speech that trolling can be guilty of doing.

[internetguru]

(Original post by Birchington)
People have the right to free speech online and they should be allowed to give criticism. When trolls threaten violence and cause distress to their victims, that is when action must be taken. It is nothing more than cowardly to hide behind an online trolling dupe and threaten people. The recent Frank Zimmerman case is a good example of the abuse of free speech that trolling can be guilty of doing.

It is easy to identify a troll, just raise public awareness and people will stop being so gullible. The trolls started using the internet long before these people who can barely turn their PC on. It is their home, their land and they want to deprive them of their favorite activities which is wrong.

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by internetguru)
No they shouldn't suck it up they just need counseling or something to tackle their personal insecurities. We need to hit the root of these problems not the symptoms.

Soooo hitting the root is telling people to suck it up and get counselling? It's really not that simple as I've explained before. You obviously don't understand what it's like for whatever reason so there's little point in me trying to explain it or try to convince you, but what I will say is that it is very harmful and whilst there are people who are still likely to be affected, a line should be drawn. Telling people to simply "get over it" or "seek counselling" isn't the answer and frankly it's not helpful either. In fact it's not very thought out either. Also I would say that this is part of dealing with the root of the problem.

[Kiss]

(Original post by thunder_chunky)
There is difference between talking about green energy which is hard to get riled up about unless you're a nerd or a smelly hippy and something like homosexuality and gay marriage. You obviously don't realise what impact cyber bullying can have and what general bullying and harrassment can have on someone that is often still struggling with their feelings. It's not as simple as "suck it up and move one" and to dismiss it as such is just silly and callous.
I wish we could all be so cavalier and brave as you, you are after all such a warrior, such a role model but sadly we aren't and a lot of people are affected by such things which is why a line needs to be drawn. Because there will always be vunreable people in this world and they need to be protected, not just from physical threats but from verbal threats and verbal nastiness.

It's a pity you can't understand that.

If I remember correctly, the words for that song from The Hunchback of Notredame go "The world is cruel, the world is wicked!" - I already got banned for prooving a point about how cruel the internet is. And quite frankly you can't censor the world, why try to censor the internet? But not just censor it of the obscene, but remove opinions?

[Morgsie]

If this passes, you are allowing Members of this House to be abusive towards others. This Motion should be withdrawn immediately or voted against.

[Metrobeans]

Woops, posted in Wrong thread!