[minimarshmallow]

(Original post by anthonyfl)
But there may be other people who are a bit slow who could do with extra time. The whole point in an exam is to show what you can do in the given time, otherwise they'd just let you sit there forever.


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Yes, but people who are slow because they're out of practice etc. are different to those with a specific disorder in a specific area.
And like I said, the extra time makes the given time comparable for the dyslexics because they specifically struggle with reading and writing and cannot improve this. But because it'll only show in exams, and very very very few workplaces, and there are also other things in workplaces that can be done which wouldn't be practical in exams, it's the fairest way.

[anthonyfl]

(Original post by minimarshmallow)
Yes, but people who are slow because they're out of practice etc. are different to those with a specific disorder in a specific area.
And like I said, the extra time makes the given time comparable for the dyslexics because they specifically struggle with reading and writing and cannot improve this. But because it'll only show in exams, and very very very few workplaces, and there are also other things in workplaces that can be done which wouldn't be practical in exams, it's the fairest way.

It's not very few workplaces, don't know where you get that from. Anywhere handling money is difficult, which wipes out a whole lot of jobs, especially weekend and part time. Working in a restaurant, taking orders etc. My dad drives a truck and there's a dyslexic guy who keeps putting on the wrong loads, getting mixed up with which materials and how many of each (building company). Although admittedly, he is probably very dyslexic.

So, plenty of jobs are inappropriate. I'm just saying the whole point of an exam is to test your aptitude under set conditions. That's why we have single deals and restrictions on calculators in certain exams.


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[minimarshmallow]

(Original post by anthonyfl)
It's not very few workplaces, don't know where you get that from. Anywhere handling money is difficult, which wipes out a whole lot of jobs, especially weekend and part time. Working in a restaurant, taking orders etc. My dad drives a truck and there's a dyslexic guy who keeps putting on the wrong loads, getting mixed up with which materials and how many of each (building company). Although admittedly, he is probably very dyslexic.

So, plenty of jobs are inappropriate. I'm just saying the whole point of an exam is to test your aptitude under set conditions. That's why we have single deals and restrictions on calculators in certain exams.

Dyslexics shouldn't have any trouble handling money. Jotting down orders in a restaurant would be a negligible difference, and you could probably get that particular waiter/waitress a different coloured notepad and a coloured pen to write as that would make it easier. If the truck guy needed to read an order of what to pack quickly then it could be put on a certain coloured paper with a certain coloured text and a certain font just for him.

An exam is to test your knowledge of the particular subject under set conditions, and the time limits are set according to a bell curve so that most people will finish. However, dyslexics fall within a different bell curve which is lower, so they need extra time to bring them in line with the neurotypicals.

[Firewhispers]

(Original post by EMPStudent)
Okay, let's say you hire someone to work for you at your nuclear power plant. There is a nuclear meltdown, how would you plan on giving this person extra time to work out a plan? I don't think it works that way in the real world.

Okay but try living with it ... I'm 21 been working in a co op for years, I'm starting teaching degree in primary education in September. I got all distinctions this year on an access course this year, dyslexia has nothing to do with intelligence. It just means we learn differently (which is exactly what ill tell me school students). As I am writing this it is taking me ages to work out the spelling of some words so spell check and work out what I'm TIRING to say...
As for every day like as I said I work in a local co op ... An old lady comes up and asks me to read something on the back off the tin. I panic as say, "I don't have my glasses really sorry", I don't require glasses. Or a certain wine will be on offer and i have to recommend it ... working out the names of wines just makes you want to shut down and run...


No you don't get extra time in life, and it is flipping hard.

I do not plan to work in a power plant.

I was only diagnosed a year ago ... I didn't get extra time in schools and got all B's in my gcse's. The extra time I'll get at uni will give me the time to show my full knowledge the subject but it is all up there.. Simply takes longer to put pen to paper, organise my thoughts. I will not have exams apart from my QTS... so for writing and essay its going to me amazing to have a machine that reads my work to me ! So I am able to HEAR my mistakes because my brain makes my eyes scan over them.

[Rubydoo]

i'm 20 yrs old and i was diagnosed with dyslexia when i was 17 .

my dyslexia lies in my memory i am severe in my memory and i cant tell the time or follow instructions in the correct order ect
People do tend to think that because i have severe dyslexia that makes me stupid
it has nothing to do with intelligence, its just the practical things like reading and writing that are difficult.
yet i have always dealt with the problems i have in my own way so i dont notice my dyslexia because i was diagnosed late in my life . my brain has came up with its own solutions to my learning difficulties.

i have extra time in exams because i cant read well meaning in a pratical exam without extra time i would have spent nearly the whole exam time trying to read and not answering questions which unfairly hinders how well i achieve because i know the answers but unfortunatley have difficulty answering them in terms of writing them down

just to emphasise my point, i have to read a question nearly 10 times before i can understand it , can you imagine having to do that in an exam for every question . you wouldnt achieve what your capable of just because you spent a majority of your time reading the same things, we just need a little help but i can see how frustrated people without dyslexia get they think its unfair but believe me i would love to not have dyslexia and be normal because it does get frustrating!

people with dyslexia i class as strong successful people because we deal with our limitations and exeed them in different ways

[Rubydoo]

also i think your been dramatic about a powerplant
i may not be able to write a plan down but it doesnt mean i wouldnt be able to think of a plan and act upon it, besides there wouldnt be enough time to write a plan down in a nuclear meltdown? and there would be a company procedure put in place and that i would of been trained in right?

Our thinking isnt hinderd by dyslexia ITS A LEARNING DIFFICULTY not a thinking one.

[Rubydoo]

some of the most successful people in the world are dyslexic
ie SIR Richard Branson and SIR Alan Sugar

i belive the person who started this rediculous discussion is just jelous of a extra 15 mins

i tell ya what im jelous you dont have to struggle like dyslexic people do to the point where telling the time is a struggle!
do you ever here dyslexic people moaning and critising normal people no because were big enough to find ways to overcome our disabilities

believe me if i was non dyslexic i wouldnt be moanin about a poxy 15mins that someone with a disabilitie has that you dont

selfish. and if anyone is the idiot or less intelectual its you!

[Dmon1Unlimited]

its not an intellectual flaw and it seems you and 139 people believe this nonsense.

a person may have the appropriate knowledge but why should they be penalised for not being to communicate their thoughts/answers on paper due to the text and such?

just moaning from people who are probably jealous of other people getting extra time, that or misunderstand...or another factor

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by minimarshmallow)
An exam is to test your knowledge of the particular subject under set conditions, and the time limits are set according to a bell curve so that most people will finish. However, dyslexics fall within a different bell curve which is lower, so they need extra time to bring them in line with the neurotypicals.

personally, i see exams as testing your knowledge only. i dont see why it should be timed for anyone. while answering a topic quickly would be nice, i dont see not being able to finish on time is equivalent to a lack of such knowledge. more just a convenience for those who moderate exams who are checking for cheating/help/etc

while i understand moderators dont want to wait 7 hours for me to finish a paper, would be a nice idea though albeit impractical

[ITGIRL]

(Original post by minimarshmallow)
D.

You seem to be quoting everyone who doesn't believe they should get extra time. I'm sorry but we don't live in world where one person belief is fact. If people disagree with you they disagree. I believe that if they have dyslexic then they can choose to take exam like everyone else with the same conditions or take the same exam but with added time and be LABELLED with being dyslexic on their degree. This is my belief and I hope one day it will become reality.

You may disagree fair enough but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to persuade you otherwise. Each to their own.

All I have to say is education is changing dramatically and if dyslexic people think they are going to be treated any different then they won't know what's hit them.

[Rubydoo]

Lmfao why should dyslexic people be penalized on their degrees ect for having a disability they were born with . And we will always get extra time otherwise its discrimination same as if I was to have a dyslexic degree it will be discrimination soooo. I find it funny your comming across as spoiled brat because dyslexic people get 10 mins more than you to do a test go ahead and hate a person with a disability what kind of person are you I actually pity how uneducated ypu appear from the point you just made I find that the dyslexic people on here have proven were not stupid considering half the stupidity that's been typed by non dyslexics but you know what I'm.gonna enjoy my extra time and free laptops and it won't change because its a disability and people with disabilitys always will get and need support ha

[ITGIRL]

(Original post by Rubydoo)
Lmfao why should dyslexic people be penalized on their degrees ect for having a disability they were born with . And we will always get extra time otherwise its discrimination same as if I was to have a dyslexic degree it will be discrimination soooo. I find it funny your comming across as spoiled brat because dyslexic people get 10 mins more than you to do a test go ahead and hate a person with a disability what kind of person are you I actually pity how uneducated ypu appear from the point you just made I find that the dyslexic people on here have proven were not stupid considering half the stupidity that's been typed by non dyslexics but you know what I'm.gonna enjoy my extra time and free laptops and it won't change because its a disability and people with disabilitys always will get and need support ha

lol. This idea that the world is always going to be fair place is extremely delusional. You really need to be educated in life because you seem unable to understand the difference between what is right and what is wrong. The definition of these two words can be interrupted differently. What you might see can be extremely different from what I see.

We live in world of different people and different ideas. Maybe you just haven't woken up to reality. Maybe with time you can open your eyes

[Rubydoo]

(Original post by ITGIRL)
lol. This idea that the world is always going to be fair place is extremely delusional. You really need to be educated in life because you seem unable to understand the difference between what is right and what is wrong. The definition of these two words can be interrupted differently. What you might see can be extremely different from what I see.

We live in world of different people and different ideas. Maybe you just haven't woken up to reality. Maybe with time you can open your eyes

Don't patronize me in your eyes its unfair to you because you have an issue with a disabled person having 10 mins extra than you in my eyes its unfair that selfish people like yourself are aloud to breathe jealous and feeling hard done by because your jealous of a disability . My eyes are wide open and in reality I'm sure I'm not the only person who would pity your shallow and pathetic opinion you value so much
Oh and I'm typing this on my freeeeeee apple Mac giving you ten minutes of my dyslexic time that your so jealous off
HOLLA!!!

[minimarshmallow]

(Original post by ITGIRL)
You seem to be quoting everyone who doesn't believe they should get extra time. I'm sorry but we don't live in world where one person belief is fact. If people disagree with you they disagree. I believe that if they have dyslexic then they can choose to take exam like everyone else with the same conditions or take the same exam but with added time and be LABELLED with being dyslexic on their degree. This is my belief and I hope one day it will become reality.

You may disagree fair enough but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to persuade you otherwise. Each to their own.

All I have to say is education is changing dramatically and if dyslexic people think they are going to be treated any different then they won't know what's hit them.

I'm engaging in a debate. I'm not saying anybody's opinion is wrong and mine is right, just presenting the facts about dyslexia and the exam system in relation to dyslexia (which I'm currently studying for my dissertation) and then my opinion which is based on those facts - with the aim that someone may think differently if they have better facts. The point of a debate is to try and convince other people to your point of view or to see if someone else has an opinion with as strong a basis as yours. If someone else who knew more than me about these things said I was wrong or presented some good evidence that contradicted me, then I would take this into consideration.
If you don't like it, I'm not forcing you to read it.

[mddub39]

At my school people got extra time on exams if they asked for it. I understand if people have learning disabilities, but some of them just couldn't work quick enough or panicked. Little bit sad that.

[River85]

(Original post by anthonyfl)
But there may be other people who are a bit slow who could do with extra time. The whole point in an exam is to show what you can do in the given time, otherwise they'd just let you sit there forever.


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Yes, but people with dyslexia are disadvantaged when it comes to "showing what they can do" in timed exam conditions as a result of a disability therefore appropriate time allowances are given. According to the Equality Act 2010 it is illegal to treat a person with a disability less favourably and place him or her at a disadvantage when compared to a non-disabled person.

This issue becomes more complex when you consider that timed exams are probably not the most effective measurement of ability anyway. Timed written exams were only introduced in order to save time (for those who set the exams and marked the work). Prior to this exams were often oral. However, as written exams have become standard, there appears to be this mistaken belief that they are the best form of assessment. Funnily enough, had exams stayed oral, this would play to the strengths of many people with dyslexia.

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
its not an intellectual flaw and it seems you and 139 people believe this nonsense.

a person may have the appropriate knowledge but why should they be penalised for not being to communicate their thoughts/answers on paper due to the text and such?

just moaning from people who are probably jealous of other people getting extra time, that or misunderstand...or another factor

Essentailly that.

(Original post by ITGIRL)
All I have to say is education is changing dramatically and if dyslexic people think they are going to be treated any different then they won't know what's hit them.

What do you mean by this?

Yes, it is changing. Equality and diversity is becoming increasingly recognised and, as staff are receiving more disability awareness training and becoming aware of the needs of disabled students, people with disabilities are becoming better supported You are clearly ignorant of higher education and disability support within HE as well as disability legislation if you believe that those with dyslexia are going to suddenly find themselves without reasonable adjustments and discriminated against.

I should also re-iterate that, in providing extra time OR the use of a computer in exams, people with dyslexia (or any other disability) are not being given an advantage. These reasonable adjustments are designed to level the playing the field. Also, why should a person be "labelled" as dyslexic on his or her degree parchment or transcript? Would you suggest the same for someone with dyspraxia, for example, or who has arthritis, and only needed the additional time as their writing speed is impaired or they find writing too painful? Why not look at the assessment procedures themselves and realise that timed exams are perhaps not the best form of assessment?

People are becoming more tolerant and less likely to discriminate. Although there are still enough narrow minded and ignorant people around to make sure that it's still quite common to come across opinions such as your own You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, you must recognise your opinion is in the minority and certainly not shared by most of those who are informed and in any position of authority

[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by ITGIRL)
You seem to be quoting everyone who doesn't believe they should get extra time. I'm sorry but we don't live in world where one person belief is fact. If people disagree with you they disagree. I believe that if they have dyslexic then they can choose to take exam like everyone else with the same conditions or take the same exam but with added time and be LABELLED with being dyslexic on their degree. This is my belief and I hope one day it will become reality.

You may disagree fair enough but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to persuade you otherwise. Each to their own.

All I have to say is education is changing dramatically and if dyslexic people think they are going to be treated any different then they won't know what's hit them.

What a horrible idea... Might as well stamp "dunce" on people's heads while you're at it....Hope no one applies this...

Education is changing... People with disabilities are given a fighting chance as they should...

This gives everyone an equal footing...

[hannah1994]

It's a joke in maths - there's nothing to even read! The line to being classified as 'dyslexic' is so blurred and so many people are 'dyslexic', it's just the latest fad people jump onto.

[Connor.C]

In most jobs, when you think about it, high linguistic ability isn't quite as necessary as it is in exams, because generally a job is to "do" rather than to read, and dyslexics could do just as well in these jobs as someone who can read perfectly fine. Of course, there are some jobs that dyslexics probably shouldn't do, like being an English teacher for example, similarly to how it would be ill advised for someone in a wheelchair to try and become a builder, however my dyslexic friend is very good at maths, and it would be a shame for him to miss out on University next year (he had to redo his AS year, and not due to personal failings) because he struggled to read questions that he is perfectly capable of doing. We actually calculated that I could read 3 times faster than he could, however I don't think that should automatically get me a higher place in the world of work, when in terms of Maths and Physics, he was always cleverer than me.

[minimarshmallow]

(Original post by hannah1994)
It's a joke in maths - there's nothing to even read! The line to being classified as 'dyslexic' is so blurred and so many people are 'dyslexic', it's just the latest fad people jump onto.

You mean there aren't any questions written down in maths?