[es.c]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
Now that was uncalled for, it would have been better if you remained silent.

I agree. That's what tarnishes peoples views on islam

[Derek.]

Whoa! In South Africa, if you call a black person "kaffir" it's the same as calling an African American "******". I don't know if Kaffir has another meaning elsewhere...but yeah.

I think the amount of people who dislikes Muslims/Islam increased after the collapse of the World Trade Centres (2001). It's kinda the same labelling with the Germans and Nazis back in the past. If you said you were German, people automatically thought "Oh a Nazi then". As a wise man once said, one rotten apple ruins it for everyone. It's the same story everywhere with every minority.

Of course I know not all Muslims have the same thoughts like Osama and his mates did, the same as I know not all Germans are Nazis or not all Eastern Europeans are racist vodka drinking holligans, but that does stop the media by constantly showing the bad stuff that are caused by minorities.

[S-man10]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
Firstly, Islam forbids the killing of all civilians, raping, violence and so on. According to Islamic law a person who murder or rapes is to be punished by the death penalty. I will never be able to understand how people call themselves Muslims if they had committed such crimes. It is said in the prophet's time that when he heard a child was killed in the war, he would weep even if it was a child from the army against him.

Yet Islamic law suggests that killing apostates if they don't repent in 3 days is acceptable to you?

Another thing is if you hate Islam then you hate us as Muslim because it's us people who have portrayed Islam in such a wrong manner.

You are still mixing up two different things. Disliking beliefs is different than disliking a person

On that note, how do you know it is "right or wrong" when it all depends on a muslim's interpretation?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
How is it possible for anyone to speak about Islam or any subject for that matter when you know absolutely nothing with regards to the topic at hand.

Firstly, Islam forbids the killing of all civilians, raping, violence and so on. According to Islamic law a person who murder or rapes is to be punished by the death penalty. I will never be able to understand how people call themselves Muslims if they had committed such crimes. It is said in the prophet's time that when he heard a child was killed in the war, he would weep even if it was a child from the army against him.

Another thing is if you hate Islam then you hate us as Muslim because it's us people who have portrayed Islam in such a wrong manner.

Muslim civilians. Not non-muslims.

Unless they murder or rape an "enemy of Islam".

What about the 9 year old he raped?

I hate paedophilia, I hate murder, I hate religious persecution. If you do not defend such things, whether they are perpetrated against muslims or kaffir, why would I hate you? Pity perhaps.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
Until there are white people like british and americans racism will always be alive because of those white people period

Thanks insane multicultural education for producing people like this.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by es.c)
Not with Aisha he didn't. With his first wife Khadija he did, and had kids. Don't forget that every detail of his life was watched and questioned by the people around him (his companions) and even Aisha reported that she was never touched by him like that. I think you need t do more research because what I'm saying is simple, repetitive stuff

Where are you getting your information, dude? Do you know what the Sahih Bukhari is? It's the most authentic hadith in Sunni Islam (which is what 90% of Muslims believe). And it references multiple times that they did have sex at age 9:


Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was nine years old. - Sahih Bukhari 5: 58: 236 http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/...hp#005.058.236


Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). - Sahih Bukhari 7: 62: 64 http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/...hp#007.062.064

And many other places which I can't be bothered to list.

[Scumbaggio]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
As a muslim I'd like to know why are so many people out there anti Islam, what have we done wrong?
As for the muslims I want to know why are you all against other religions, why do you muslims hold a grudge against other cultures?

I'm sure everyone here is matured enough to have a decent conversation without trying to rip each others throats. I'm so sorry if something like this had been on already.

Maybe it has something to do with not having enough muslims in their social circle, I've been on the earth for 24 years and I've only ever known one muslim person I could call a friend. Is that down to me? I can only speculate.

In the same time I've had countless sikh, hindu and black friends. Forgive me for making such a sweeping statement but by and large Muslim groups of friends tend to be fairly exclusive of other groups.

On the subject of racism/discrimination I'd like to ask how you would feel about your son/daughter/brother/sister marrying a white/black/indian/non muslim person?

Please answer honestly.

[Kiss]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
Until there are white people like british and americans racism will always be alive because of those white people period

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[es.c]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
Its supposed to mean is that the white race is the most racist group in the world, they the one always causing racial problems, just like muhammad ali stated white people are devils...they are the one who tortured blacks called them *******, they are the ones you used to go paki bashing when asians migrated here and NOW thwy are the ones who are racist towards muslims now...so in conclusion racism will stay as white people will
Always be racist

That's a big claim. Being Muslim myself, I don't think that's the most sensible thing to say

[TimmonaPortella]

I'm anti Islam because it's silly, and believing silly things is bad. And dangerous.

For the same reason I'm anti Christianity, etc.

I would hope you wouldn't try to classify that as discriminatory or, as would be even more absurd, racist.

[Notethis]

Most Muslims are fundamentalists, create their own fundamentalist communities and reproduce and spread fundamentalist ideas with viral vigour. There are constant streams of graphic beheadings (last week there aired the decapitation of a Christian convert in Tunisia) from Islamic countries.

[Miss.someone]

The whole life of the Prophet Muhammad was recorded and for every action there was an explanation, as to why he married so many wives, how he married Aisha and further more.
Also no layman, even an ordinary Muslim can translate the Quran and understand it.
There is a vast amount of wisdom behind every Islamic Law and I can assure you Islam is not the least bit silly. For example no one who'd understand the need for women to cover up unless you actually took a moment to read it up.

[No Man]

I don't even care anymore.

If a black person, Islamic person, white person, oriental person, purple person, Catholic person, etc is a ****, they're a ****. If they're not, they're not.

[S-man10]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
The whole life of the Prophet Muhammad was recorded and for every action there was an explanation, as to why he married so many wives, how he married Aisha and further more.
Also no layman, even an ordinary Muslim can translate the Quran and understand it.
There is a vast amount of wisdom behind every Islamic Law and I can assure you Islam is not the least bit silly. For example no one who'd understand the need for women to cover up unless you actually took a moment to read it up.

I think you are simply preaching here, and their is so much contradiction in your post anyway that it is beyond the realm of sense. What does it have to do with the topic at hand?

[Wild Horses]

(Original post by S-man10)
I think you are simple preaching here and their is so much contradiction in your post anyway. What does it have to do with the topic at hand?

lol agreed.

Racism has to be an action. i believe that being called a racist is like being called any other word. It's a word that insights a reaction. we call women bitches when they are not bitches. Thats like saying i'm faithful when i cheat anyway with my actions. Thats like calling me a boxer when i have no arms, but i can be called it right? Actions speaks louder than words. The Action has to follow the title.

[umarrehman187]

(Original post by es.c)
That's a big claim. Being Muslim myself, I don't think that's the most sensible thing to say

dont get me wrong a minority of the white race are good, majority are racist ill probs get a warning for this.....

and dnt tell me you do not agree, its true, they did that hiroshami bomb thing, they brought blacks here and abused them, they still abusing us muslims..im only writing what i see... i do not see chinese people doing this, or black or spanish or korean or whatever

[Miss.someone]

(Original post by S-man10)
I think you are simply preaching here, and their is so much contradiction in your post anyway that it is beyond the realm of sense. What does it have to do with the topic at hand?

There were many posts which went off topic so I wrote that hoping people would rather read up the answers instead of posting them here.

[S-man10]

(Original post by Miss.someone)
There were many posts which went off topic so I wrote that hoping people would rather read up the answers instead of posting them here.

Mind responding to this: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...0#post38125540

The post I quoted you in without a context or a quote made very little sense. Most muslim on TSR outright deny teachings from hadith as they think it is isn't properly recorded. Oddly, this goes against what you were speaking of.