[Nacho King]

Okay, so I was thinking today, many are familiar with the story of Noah's Ark, and although I could tear this story to bits about is credibility and its lack of logic, I thought of a different angle on the story that we should all consider.

So the story is in Genesis (Old T.), and God's reason for flooding the world was that he saw the wickedness of man and is grieved by his creation, resolving to send a great flood to cleanse the Earth.

What I ask is how bad would people and society have had to been back compared to today for him to do this then but not now? How can anything be worse than society now? We have government corruption, people with billions and people with literally nothing, we have the most athiests on the planet than ever before, big corporations ruining lives, child labour, the list goes on...

So if God really does exist, firstly, why is he so incompetent and more importantly, why hasn't he shown his face and flooded the world or done something else to rid the world of his creation? He has no reason not too, he was happy influencing the world every so often back in the Bible days, but for some reasons in todays world where we are desperate for proof he exists, he doesn't seem to get involved anymore (most likely because he doesn't exist.)

You can't deny that I make an interesting point. What are your thoughts.

[aljolson]

I think it's a very good point, I must admit though, I am still wondering on the logistics of it all. How big was the Ark, what were the feeding arrangements? How about all the crap, who had that job? Homer Simpson maybe.

[mmmpie]

Maybe he got a new cooler world to meddle with, and ours is going mouldy in the back of a cupboard?

[Nacho King]

(Original post by mmmpie)
Maybe he got a new cooler world to meddle with, and ours is going mouldy in the back of a cupboard?

Maybe the lack of God's involvement and prescence in today's world means that he has given up on us? Maybe he used to be here but he has grown disapointed and angry at us? That doesn't sound like an all loving God though and one who is all powerful, because if he was this figure that knows everything and can do anything, then why did he mess this world up so badly?

[Pitt1988]

I'm not religious, but Kevin Bridges put it well once. That he has lots of other things to attend to and he's just been gone for a while, leaving an 'empty'. When he gets back and sees the state of the place a lot of people are getting kicked out!

[mmmpie]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Maybe the lack of God's involvement and prescence in today's world means that he has given up on us? Maybe he used to be here but he has grown disapointed and angry at us? That doesn't sound like an all loving God though and one who is all powerful, because if he was this figure that knows everything and can do anything, then why did he mess this world up so badly?

I'm a reasonably intelligent guy, but I'm no good at handicrafts. Maybe it's the same with god. Just because it's an omnipotent being, that doesn't mean it's automatically got skills.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by Pitt1988)
I'm not religious, but Kevin Bridges put it well once. That he has lots of other things to attend to and he's just been gone for a while, leaving an 'empty'. When he gets back and sees the state of the place a lot of people are getting kicked out!

Yes but we can't keep making up excuses for God, we can't now say that he's taking a break as a cover up for why he's not here.

[Pitt1988]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Yes but we can't keep making up excuses for God, we can't now say that he's taking a break as a cover up for why he's not here.

Like I said, I'm not religious anyway. You'll have had to have seen the comedy sketch to know what I was on about.

[Didierr]

He made a rainbow which was a promise that he would never destroy the world again, didn't he?... well thats what I remember from like year 5

[DonWorryJockIsHere]

Good arguement but didn't God promise he would never flood the whole world again? and perhaps armegeddon or judgement day will come to end all of modern wickedness and be the 'modern noahs ark'?

I also argue against the existance of God (well the way he is portrayed in the Bible) but I guess religious people could respond with this arguement.

NO PLEASE DON'T NEG ME, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO

[Martyn*]

A better argument would to be to simply point out the fact that the story of Noah was only an 8th century BC semitic version of a much older flood myth story.

[Pitt1988]

Didn't the origins of the whole flood story come from Mesopotamia?

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by Didierr)
He made a rainbow which was a promise that he would never destroy the world again, didn't he?... well thats what I remember from like year 5

Yes! I remember this! And that's why we have rainbows. Fact.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by sammy-lou)
Yes! I remember this! And that's why we have rainbows. Fact.

Just the same way there is always a pot of gold at each end. Oh wait.

[mmmpie]

(Original post by Pitt1988)
Didn't the origins of the whole flood story come from Mesopotamia?

Yeah, the oldest version known is the story of Uta-napi****m, which is included near the end of the epic of Gilgamesh.

[chickenonsteroids]

He said he'd never do it again.

Secondly, if he does exist, he would be omniscient right? If so, how does that make him incompetent?

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by Nacho King)
Just the same way there is always a pot of gold at each end. Oh wait.

My Mum used to take me driving to find that pot of gold when I was young. I can confirm there is no pot of gold.

[Nacho King]

(Original post by chickenonsteroids)
He said he'd never do it again.

Secondly, if he does exist, he would be omniscient right? If so, how does that make him incompetent?

If he's all knowing then he will know that his world would be a complete mess, he would know people are athiests giving them no chance to get to heaven etc. These labels of omniscent etc. were all given to him so that they could be used against questions like "why did God let my baby die?" "don't blame God, he's omniscent, he will have done this for a reason" etc.

I don't believe his is all knowing, all powerful etc. This world proves it.

[chickenonsteroids]

(Original post by Nacho King)
If he's all knowing then he will know that his world would be a complete mess, he would know people are athiests giving them no chance to get to heaven etc. These labels of omniscent etc. were all given to him so that they could be used against questions like "why did God let my baby die?" "don't blame God, he's omniscent, he will have done this for a reason" etc.

I don't believe his is all knowing, all powerful etc. This world proves it.

Maybe that's just his nature. Your conception of justice or good or anything for that matter are not necessarily his own. Secondly, this world does not prove what you think it does. It's just bordering on an emotional reaction isn't it? All this world proves are the things that happen in this world. That's it. It doesn't really have any relation to whether god exists or not. Especially since god doesn't have to be defined as 'good' or whatever.

[mmmpie]

(Original post by chickenonsteroids)
He said he'd never do it again.

Secondly, if he does exist, he would be omniscient right? If so, how does that make him incompetent?

Omniscient means all knowing, but we distinguish between knowledge and skill. I know how a car works and all the forces involved in getting it to move in a certain way and the function of all the controls, but that doesn't mean I have the skill to drive.