[Martyn*]

(Original post by .eXe)
Lol, every post you seem to lose more and more credibility.

You sound like a child who has just found something shiny and wants to show it off, without actually examining it and noticing that it's just a piece of tinfoil not a diamond.

All your nonsense here is clearly just regurgitated ideas from anther ignoramus, and you are passing all of this along as if you've had some deep thinking on it.

It seems I was right to call you a copy-paste philosopher.

Any more logical fallacies you'd like to throw at me?

[.eXe]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Any more logical fallacies you'd like to throw at me?

Show me exactly where I committed a logical fallacy.

[concubine]

(Original post by .eXe)
Fair enough, but I think there is much much greater evidence available of Jesus' exitence, than of Jesus being some mythical being forged out of old pagan entities (as the TS is suggesting)

Can't both be true?



'Jesus' as the Christian demi-god whatever thing seems to be the result of a bunch of separate myths and such, and Jesus was probably a dude that did some preachy ****.



He was also, by the sounds of things, a pretty kewl guy. Shame his followers have a tendency to be morons.

[Okashira]

The only thing I get out of arguments like these, is that there are similarities between religious beliefs. This is to be expected by the way, considering if God does exist and created us. I could probably pick out a japanese god, and find similarities he/she has with Jesus. Should I then say that early christians got their story from a japanese religion?

Also, I briefly looked over things like this. I skimmed over some of the parts of the religion concerning Osiris and Horus. From the small cases of information concerning them, I've found some big differences between them and Jesus. For instance, people say that Horus was born miraculously, just as Jesus was born. Yet when I look into the story, Horus is nothing but a collection of body parts of Osiris. That is very different to how Jesus was born.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by .eXe)
Show me exactly where I committed a logical fallacy.

Strawman arguments.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Okashira)
The only thing I get out of arguments like these, is that there are similarities between religious beliefs. This is to be expected by the way, considering if God does exist and created us. I could probably pick out a japanese god, and find similarities he/she has with Jesus. Should I then say that early christians got their story from a japanese religion?

Also, I briefly looked over things like this. I skimmed over some of the parts of the religion concerning Osiris and Horus. From the small cases of information concerning them, I've found some big differences between them and Jesus. For instance, people say that Horus was born miraculously, just as Jesus was born. Yet when I look into the story, Horus is nothing but a collection of body parts of Osiris. That is very different to how Jesus was born.

What nonsense! The similarities between religions exist because there is no sudden break in history, only a continuum of change.

[Bukhatir]

(Original post by Martyn*)
It is my view that the people who wrote the Christian Gospels were Hellenized Jews, who took Jewish motifs and blended them with Greco-Egyptian ones. The background of Christianity can only be understood within the milieu of Greco-Roman culture. But the impact of ancient Egypt on Greco-Roman culture is well attested.

In the first century, Christianity had to compete with two important religious cults: Mithras and the cult of Isis. They both exploded on the scene well before Christianity ever came about. Both these cults were mystery religions. Mithras offered eternal life. Isis bore a child, Horus, who would defeat the evil serpent king and become saviour of the human race offering eternal life. horus was the reincarnation of the god Osiris, who was the god of the resurrection for at least 3000 years in Egypt. The cult of Osiris crept into Greek culture about 300BC and fused with the cult of Dionysus. As in the story of Dionysus, the god (Osiris-Dionysus) was born of a virgin, was attended (like the god Tammuz, another name for Osiris) by wise men or shepherds, was betrayed, and died as a sacrifice.

In the cult of Osiris many of the traits were transmitted to the Greeks and passed down. In funerary inscriptions Osiris, for example, as he was for 3000 years, was known as the 'mummified one', or 'the coffined one'. Osiris was the first king to be mummified in ancient Egypt and it was by this that the tradition of mummifying their kings began. In inscriptions the word for 'mummified' is the same word for 'annoint': Kers-t which is related to the word Kar. In Greek kar or ker is related to 'black' or 'dead' (note: kreas 'flesh') and is often a variant with 'sark' as in sarcophagus. All these terms are related to the cult of the dead, and are related to Osiris.

Source: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=t...yptian&f=false

The word 'Christ' means 'anointed' in Greek, and is properly related to the Egyptian Kers-t. In Hebrew this is translated to 'Moschiach' which means messiah.

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Osiris was the original Christ. He was the god who was bertrayed, who died, was resurrected and came back as the Christ. But perhaps, you might ask, that the gospel writers did not have Osiris in mind but related their Christ to the anointed Davidic Messiah?

Whilst that may be true, it is missing the point. The gospels are syncretistic. It is the Jewish messiah meets the god of the dead. Proof of this can be seen in the story of the raising of Lazarus found in the gospel of John, in which Jesus raises the mummified Lazarus from the dead. Actually, the story is the Jewish version of the Horus legend where Osiris (Lazarus) is brought back from the underworld by Horus in the scene of the book of the dead known as the Ka embrace. The soul of Osiris (the mummified king) is released by Horus, and both father and son reunite as one soul. In the gospels the secret to the word 'Christ' is related in Matthew 26 v 12:

When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial.

Jesus is Osiris, or at least that's how the Hellenized Jews who wrote the Gospels portrayed the Davidic Messiah.

If u believe in Christ then why don't u do as he commanded u to do so? become a Muslim

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
If u believe in Christ then why don't u do as he commanded u to do so? become a Muslim

I could worship the prophet Idris... or should I say Osiride.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
If u believe in Christ then why don't u do as he commanded u to do so? become a Muslim

Where exactly did Christ command us to become muslim? You do realize that the false prophet mohammad came 700 years after Christ right? There were millions of Christians by then and not a single muslim. If Christ commanded people to be muslim, he failed 100%. Pretty bad fail for your God to send such an ineffective prophet no?

See how stupid your argument was?


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[Arekkusu]

Yes we know, you've been going on about this for years. Who cares really, the New Testament has a good moral compass, doesn't matter if any of it's true or not.

By the way linguistic analysis should be treated with suspicion, I'm very wary of any reconstructed proto-language or anything like that.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by Arekkusu)
Yes we know, you've been going on about this for years. Who cares really, the New Testament has a good moral compass, doesn't matter if any of it's true or not.

By the way linguistic analysis should be treated with suspicion, I'm very wary of any reconstructed proto-language or anything like that.

One doesn't use linguistic analysis alone. There are many other disciplines used to identify links between the gospel Jesus and the godmen of the Greco-Roman (and Greco-Egyptian) Mystery religions.

[Bukhatir]

(Original post by .eXe)
Where exactly did Christ command us to become muslim? You do realize that the false prophet mohammad came 700 years after Christ right? There were millions of Christians by then and not a single muslim. If Christ commanded people to be muslim, he failed 100%. Pretty bad fail for your God to send such an ineffective prophet no?

See how stupid your argument was?


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Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18,
John chap. 14 verse 16: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

-Gospel of John chap 16 verse 12-14
-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' " <--- like my brother .eXe

[.eXe]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18,
John chap. 14 verse 16: "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

-Gospel of John chap 16 verse 12-14
-Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' " <--- like my brother .eXe

LOLLL AHAHAHAH THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST PROOF I HAVE EVER SEEN.

Mohammad mentioned by name in the Bible? Are you for freaking real? You do understand that the word you are referring to could just MEAN something in that language right?

For example: Let's say that the Quran mentioned the word habib. Thousand years later, a man named habib is born.

Does that automatically mean the Quran mentioned that man a thousand years ago?

What absolute babble!

[Bukhatir]

(Original post by .eXe)
LOLLL AHAHAHAH THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST PROOF I HAVE EVER SEEN.

Mohammad mentioned by name in the Bible? Are you for freaking real? You do understand that the word you are referring to could just MEAN something in that language right?

For example: Let's say that the Quran mentioned the word habib. Thousand years later, a man named habib is born.

Does that automatically mean the Quran mentioned that man a thousand years ago?

What absolute babble!

trying to make u understand is like finding a needle in a hay stack. click on the link below then try thinking

http://english.alarabiya.net/article...26/197060.html