[frankieboy]

Another great one : Buakaw Por Pramuk :



And of course, the very best ( )

[The Troll Toll]

I think the "it has to be your life or don't do it" mentality is macho, elitist and stupid. Lots of sports are tough, dangerous and violent and people do them as hobbies all the time. In MMA anyone who trains will post on forums deriding people who do it casually, with no coaching, between friends etc., but this is not the case for other sports. I wonder if this kind of stigma and barrier to casual participation will be one of the reasons if the sport continues to fail to attract top class athletes. I kind of doubt it would be significant, but the retards saying it has to be your life need to get over themselves anyway.

[ON A GOOD DAY]

I think it's stupid and I don't like it and that it should be outlawed. I'd definitely not become a cage fighter because I don't see the point in getting my head bashed for money. MMA/UFC looks fake/staged anyway.

[MrBlueMo0n]

I think you should have to go through some sort of capability test to get in. Then nobody stupid would be really hurt.

I watched Warrior, a film, and it looked really cool. Painful, but thrilling. Maybe this is nothing to do with it, but if it's like that, and fewer injuries then I'm all in!

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by gshock)
Butttt if everyone on the streets knows how to break bones what's stopping them from using it on inoccewnt people, but since I learned a great move to criple someone I'll tell you no matter what situation kick a persons knee gaurantee criple, I used to do street fights as a joke in school and made quite a name (Y)

Kick directly at the knee, or sideways? And swing your leg downwards when you hit, or upwards?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by frankieboy)
Another great one : Buakaw Por Pramuk :



And of course, the very best ( )

buakaw is a modern day legend. Payakaroon is an all time legend, he was MT champ and WBC boxing champ at the same time, look him up.
same goes for jomhod, the mike tyson of MT

Your earlier karate clip made me laugh tbh, they way the fight with their hands down its no surprise they get their clocks cleaned by each others kicks

[M4LLY]

Yes it should be allowed as at the end of the day the competitors are the ones making the decision to step into the cage. No-ones forcing them to do it

[es.c]

Its also banned (against the law) in a few places like New York. Should it be banned in the UK?

[frankieboy]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
buakaw is a modern day legend. Payakaroon is an all time legend, he was MT champ and WBC boxing champ at the same time, look him up.
same goes for jomhod, the mike tyson of MT

Will do, thanks for that.

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Your earlier karate clip made me laugh tbh, they way the fight with their hands down its no surprise they get their clocks cleaned by each others kicks

Yeah I agree with you actually, even having done a touch of Karate myself. The main reason I posted that was to highlight Elwyn Hall's technique and timing in his strikes, not so much defense or power like in the MT vids.

I believe they hold a low guard to protect better against low strikes, but I still don't agree with it. I think something more akin to a philly shell might help them better.

The thing is with Karate, there is no required "guard" - you don't get told off for guarding your head, so why don't they? Perhaps it's for show in the competitions? Or to lure the opponent into a head strike? Personally, when I've done it in the past, I held a fairly high guard even in controlled one-step, and still found I could do the required downward block or whatever from there. Never got "told off" by my instructor for it.

Perhaps it's a "competition" guard - but in reality would not be good.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by frankieboy)
Will do, thanks for that.



Yeah I agree with you actually, even having done a touch of Karate myself. The main reason I posted that was to highlight Elwyn Hall's technique and timing in his strikes, not so much defense or power like in the MT vids.

I believe they hold a low guard to protect better against low strikes, but I still don't agree with it. I think something more akin to a philly shell might help them better.

The thing is with Karate, there is no required "guard" - you don't get told off for guarding your head, so why don't they? Perhaps it's for show in the competitions? Or to lure the opponent into a head strike? Personally, when I've done it in the past, I held a fairly high guard even in controlled one-step, and still found I could do the required downward block or whatever from there. Never got "told off" by my instructor for it.

Perhaps it's a "competition" guard - but in reality would not be good.

yes to fight in a style that involves low hands against someone else competent would require extraordinary reflexes and evasion footwork. Im not saying its impossible, but very rare. But in a points based striking competition you can get away without taking serios damge. Up against a competent MT boxer, these karate guys may end up losing their teeth fighting in that way.

[frankieboy]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
yes to fight in a style that involves low hands against someone else competent would require extraordinary reflexes and evasion footwork.

Exactly. People have been watching too many Ali/Hamed/Jones Jr videos. Ok these guys are the exception to the rule, and all of these eventually got clocked from it, as far as I can see.

However, as a training exercise - I can see how having no guard would be a useful exercise in footwork and evasion, not having the guard to rely on. But only as an exercise in a controlled environment. For example, in Karate, I found a lot of people would not sidestep properly, simply relying on their block. And of course to hold up an arm against a powerful kick without side stepping out of the line of torque of the kick would be potentially very damaging to that arm.

Anyway - coming back to the point - it would be interesting to see more strikers like Buakaw etc. in MMA - of course with them having at least a modicum of groundwork trained skills as well.

[Coke1]

I don't have an opinion on it.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by frankieboy)
Exactly. People have been watching too many Ali/Hamed/Jones Jr videos. Ok these guys are the exception to the rule, and all of these eventually got clocked from it, as far as I can see.

However, as a training exercise - I can see how having no guard would be a useful exercise in footwork and evasion, not having the guard to rely on. But only as an exercise in a controlled environment. For example, in Karate, I found a lot of people would not sidestep properly, simply relying on their block. And of course to hold up an arm against a powerful kick without side stepping out of the line of torque of the kick would be potentially very damaging to that arm.

Anyway - coming back to the point - it would be interesting to see more strikers like Buakaw etc. in MMA - of course with them having at least a modicum of groundwork trained skills as well.

buakaw is a superstar in his home of thailand, comparison would be the mayweather of muaythai, so hed have no interest in entering things like cage rage or ufc. He has entered K1, and pretty much walked to the the title in that.
like i said, cage fighting is designed to give wrestlers an advantage over strikers in order to make it competetive, so there is little incentive for decent strikers to go over, unless they are failed backyard strikers like kimbo slice etc.

[badar12345]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
buakaw is a superstar in his home of thailand, comparison would be the mayweather of muaythai, so hed have no interest in entering things like cage rage or ufc. He has entered K1, and pretty much walked to the the title in that.
like i said, cage fighting is designed to give wrestlers an advantage over strikers in order to make it competetive, so there is little incentive for decent strikers to go over, unless they are failed backyard strikers like kimbo slice etc.

Actually Buakaw has been seen in jiujitsu, judo and wrestling classes. Showing signs of a possible MMA career. A lot more money involved in top tier MMA companies like the UFC or strikeforce plus sponsorship deals as opposed to pure striking like k-1. There is an advantage for grapplers but it's all in the name of the game you can't be good at just one aspect it defeats the purpose of MMA, however look at people like Bisping who is a striker with mad TDD and he arguably won the fight against Chael Sonnen.

Lots of great strikers fighting in pure stand up (K-1 etc..) and MMA like Overeem, Manhoef, Mark Hunt, Cro Cop etc.. and lots of these guys have been knocked out by grapplers see Cro Cop vs Gonzaga



Also current UFC champions JDS mainly utilised his boxing in his MMA career, Jon Jones using his unorthodox striking against recent opponents, Anderson Silva's muay thai, GSP started with a kyokushin karate base, Carlos Condit (Interim Champ) Muay thai, Benson Henderson taekwando black belt, Jose Aldo probably one of the most technically sound Muay thai guys in the UFC, Renan Barao another good muay thai striker trains with Aldo. Out of all the champs/interim champs only GSP and Dominic Cruz have had to employ grappling to gain the distinct advantage.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by badar12345)
Actually Buakaw has been seen in jiujitsu, judo and wrestling classes. Showing signs of a possible MMA career. A lot more money involved in top tier MMA companies like the UFC or strikeforce plus sponsorship deals as opposed to pure striking like k-1. There is an advantage for grapplers but it's all in the name of the game you can't be good at just one aspect it defeats the purpose of MMA, however look at people like Bisping who is a striker with mad TDD and he arguably won the fight against Chael Sonnen.

Lots of great strikers fighting in pure stand up (K-1 etc..) and MMA like Overeem, Manhoef, Mark Hunt, Cro Cop etc.. and lots of these guys have been knocked out by grapplers see Cro Cop vs Gonzaga



Also current UFC champions JDS mainly utilised his boxing in his MMA career, Jon Jones using his unorthodox striking against recent opponents, Anderson Silva's muay thai, GSP started with a kyokushin karate base, Carlos Condit (Interim Champ) Muay thai, Benson Henderson taekwando black belt, Jose Aldo probably one of the most technically sound Muay thai guys in the UFC, Renan Barao another good muay thai striker trains with Aldo. Out of all the champs/interim champs only GSP and Dominic Cruz have had to employ grappling to gain the distinct advantage.

krocop was never a high level striker, and average kickboxer (not MT) that had a half decent career in Pride and K1. certainly not on the level of muay thai legends, which is the point i made earlier.
and Certainly no decent MT guy would get his clock cleaned by that piece of ass kick in the clip (even if krocop was passed his best when he entered ufc) So dont post me that trash if you want me to take you seriously..

jose aldo would get his ass handed to him if he fought anyone decent in lumpinee or bangla in MT rules.

in the ufc people like chuck liddell was regarded as a top striker and was undefeated for ages. The point being that simply adequate striking sis enough to stand out in the ufc, becuase of what there is to compare it to. UFC has olymipc and world champ wrestlers, judo and jujistsu guys, but no recognised champion strikers.

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buakaw has wiped the floor with fighters in K1 in the past, he has also won most of what was avaiable in thailand, i have no idea what gyms he is messing around in these days, even if you are accurate, he is the poster boy of thailand so if he goes into mma it wont be becuase it is a haven for great strikers, it will be for cash, at the age of 30, what would be the point of re-training for ufc?. If im honest even hes passed his prime, he was at his best in 2005-2009. there are youngsters like kongsak , Rajanont or jomthon would now i suggest give him a real test
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i dont know of anyone in cagefighting/ufc that is even average standard muay thai competition level. The sport doesnt do any favours for boxers