[blueray]

This is very controversial, but someone once said to me
If you really believe in "animal welfare" you shouldn't eat them, end off. No questions.

[kristol90]

(Original post by blueray)
This is very controversial, but someone once said to me
If you really believe in "animal welfare" you shouldn't eat them, end off. No questions.

You're an animal, aren't you? If you believe in your, therefore animal, welfare, you should eat meat.

[Alexandra's Box]

You could say yes - it is natural to eat meat but the meat can be from a healthy animal that lived outside, thus ensuring that the process was as akin to old age hunters-and-prey scenarios as possible. The animals obviuosy are not truely free but they are still 'living' not just 'alive'.
Sorry if that seemed garbled, basically you do not need to be vegetarian to care about animal welfare (and free range tastes better.)

[Norton1]

I never know how to answer threads like these.

But I do know I love bacon.

Somehow I wish we could all coalesce round that point and forget our differences.

[Historophilia]

Well I eat meat but still believe that if we eat them then they should have a decent life beforehand.

They're animals, I'm not sentimental about it, but I don't believe in un-necessary cruelty (I'm against non-medical testing on animals for example).

I'd rather eat meat less and spend a bit more one what I do buy to ensure that it's had a proper standard of living. I'd rather eat free-range chicken once a week than battery chicken every day.

Also animals that have been treated well taste better

[Hravan]

Animal welfare - Yes you can. Animal welfare means that you're fine with eating animals and using their products as long as they're treated nicely.

You cannot be for animal rights and use animal products. Animal rights means that you believe animals exist in their own right and not for us humans to use and kill at will.

Animal welfare and animal rights are not synonyms, they're completely different things.

[hannah60000]

Consider this there are people that do not eat meat yet they do not campaign further for animal welfare, therefore eating meat or not eating it frankly does not do much for animal welfare. As whether you eat it or not this does not affect the way the meat is prepared (e.g. slaughtering battery farms). Eating animals is part of our diet and need for nutrition i.e. iron from red meat (unless your against it of course). However we can still voice the way we would like animals we eat to be taken care of etc, to me that is real animal welfare how animals are actually treated in the wild and for food prep, rather than actually choosing to eat animal meat at all.

[T-Toe]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get away from me.

But seriously it depends on the person. Eating meat isn't necessarily (don't feed into the peta sensationalised bull****) a bad thing. However, if you're concerned about the welfare of animals, in order to avoid being branded a hypocrite, it'd make sense to avoid meat all together.

I'm not particularly concerned about animal welfare but at the same time I wouldn't but a cat in a bin.

[blueray]

(Original post by Hravan)
Animal welfare - Yes you can. Animal welfare means that you're fine with eating animals and using their products as long as they're treated nicely.

You cannot be for animal rights and use animal products. Animal rights means that you believe animals exist in their own right and not for us humans to use and kill at will.

Animal welfare and animal rights are not synonyms, they're completely different things.

Animal welfare is the physical and psychological well-being of non-human animals. The term animal welfare can also mean human concern for animal welfare or a position in a debate on animal ethics and animal rights.

Animal rights believed to belong to animals to live free from use in medical research, hunting, and other services to humans

They are pretty similar, but lets not get into petty debates about definitions.
Just answer the OP

[blueray]

(Original post by T-Toe)
Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get away from me.

But seriously it depends on the person. Eating meat isn't necessarily (don't feed into the peta sensationalised bull****) a bad thing. However, if you're concerned about the welfare of animals, in order to avoid being branded a hypocrite, it'd make sense to avoid meat all together.

I'm not particularly concerned about animal welfare but at the same time I wouldn't but a cat in a bin.

Someone with common sense

[rainbow.panda]

I love animals but I eat meat. I refuse to (knowingly) eat meat that has come from animals that have died painful deaths, like ones that are ritually slaughtered. I think if we're going to eat them then they should have least not have to suffer.

I don't listen to the PETA whack-jobs. They kill most of the animals in their care anyway.

[The Socktor]

If the animals are treated well in life, or if you have some medical issue, then I think it's perfectly reconcilable.

I personally dream of a future in which we consider discrimination based on species to be just as bad as we now consider discrimination based on race or gender... however, I'm a radical so I can't see it happening any time soon.

[TEFLONCHEST]

(Original post by kristol90)
You're an animal, aren't you? If you believe in your, therefore animal, welfare, you should eat meat.

Here we go again...

[Scumbaggio]

(Original post by blueray)
This is very controversial, but someone once said to me
If you really believe in "animal welfare" you shouldn't eat them, end off. No questions.

I once had a guy tell me I was directly responsible for over fishing because I had decided to eat fish and chips for the first time in about 6 months.

The argument is just too simplistic and presumes that there is no difference between treating the animal in a humane manner until it is slaughtered and doing the complete opposite.

[Lord-Voldemort]

Who decided that the two are mutually exclusive?

[Lord-Voldemort]

(Original post by The Socktor)
If the animals are treated well in life, or if you have some medical issue, then I think it's perfectly reconcilable.

I personally dream of a future in which we consider discrimination based on species to be just as bad as we now consider discrimination based on race or gender... however, I'm a radical so I can't see it happening any time soon.

So standing on an ant will warrant life imprisonment?

[Aeonstorm]

Having done an assignment on animal rights/welfare, I'm fairly sure that animal welfare carries the assumption that eating meat is ok, but animals should not be harmed beyond necessity - i.e. they should not be kept in closed cages, they should not be killed in painful ways etc. Animal welfare and animal rights are not the same thing.

But on a side note, even animal rights activists don't all claim that we shouldn't eat meat. Peter Singer, a renowned Australian animal rights thinker, claims that animals do have rights but only in accordance to their level of sentience. So you would never do something to harm a human to prevent an equivalent harm from being inflicted upon an animal.

[blueray]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
So standing on an ant will warrant life imprisonment?

I think he means we would be more aware and an ant is an insect he said "animal"

[The Socktor]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
So standing on an ant will warrant life imprisonment?

(Original post by blueray)
I think he means we would be more aware and an ant is an insect he said "animal"

Well, I'm not in favour of life imprisonment anyway; we should be focusing on destroying the roots of crime and not the criminal.

According to Wikipedia, yes they are animals. However, I was mostly thinking along the lines of conscious animals with the ability to feel pain, etc.

[blueray]

(Original post by The Socktor)
Well, I'm not in favour of life imprisonment anyway; we should be focusing on destroying the roots of crime and not the criminal.

According to Wikipedia, yes they are animals. However, I was mostly thinking along the lines of conscious animals with the ability to feel pain, etc.

All animals feel pain In fact mice who rely on sensory fell A LOT more.