[Rybee]

(Original post by aljolson)
How does this leave us with cross pollination with plants, or cloning, the argument is very interpretive. Shifting the goalposts again. Now that the human genome has been mapped and we are starting on other species, how long before we establish proof of species change. The religionists will have an answer for that no doubt.

God put the genes there to trick us. Just like dinosaur bones...

[Polka Dot]

(Original post by aljolson)
How does this leave us with cross pollination with plants, or cloning, the argument is very interpretive. Shifting the goalposts again. Now that the human genome has been mapped and we are starting on other species, how long before we establish proof of species change. The religionists will have an answer for that no doubt.

Cross pollination - Plants belong to the same created kind. Same way hybrids can be formed in animals they both decend form the same Kind.

I don't deny speciation neither do any creationist, the evidence is clear but their is no observable evidence that one kind of animal changes into another. Their are many differen species of Cats, but they are still cats, on the gallapogos darwin documented numerous types of finches but they are still finches.

[Polka Dot]

(Original post by hassi94)
But surely this assumes that spiders have existed for tens of millions of years (for this sort of genetic drift to occur)? Then this contradicts religion etc.

Not at all. Rapid speciation.

[aljolson]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
I well it depends on the criteria you set for the classification. Classification is not an absolute science and is subjective. But I believe there is a point beyond which you cannot cross. Existing genetic information can be adapted and changed and lost but new information can not be aquired.

I agree classification is not an exact SCIENCE, but the biblical interpretation of classification is. Like for Like, No way could a waterbound animal become eathbound and change over millions of years, to be a branch in the tree of life of humanity. Creationism sucks, long live the revolution of evolution.

[miser]

So that he could see Noah's look of horror when he was commanded to collect 7 of every 'clean' animal and 350,000 spiders came marching over the hillsides towards him.

[aljolson]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
Cross pollination - Plants belong to the same created kind. Same way hybrids can be formed in animals they both decend form the same Kind.

I don't deny speciation neither do any creationist, the evidence is clear but their is no observable evidence that one kind of animal changes into another. Their are many differen species of Cats, but they are still cats, on the gallapogos darwin documented numerous types of finches but they are still finches.

How can you have observable evidence in a process that takes millions of years? Genetics, to me the most potent of sciences, not that I studied them, wish I had though, is going to break your God myth eventually. Then your mutated religious proofs will find another way to integrate God into the world of science.

[Polka Dot]

(Original post by aljolson)
I agree classification is not an exact SCIENCE, but the biblical interpretation of classification is. Like for Like, No way could a waterbound animal become eathbound and change over millions of years, to be a branch in the tree of life of humanity. Creationism sucks, long live the revolution of evolution.

It can be observed creatures stay within distinct kind, their is no observable evidence for molecules to man evolution we observe variation in animals but these animals stay within distinct kinds ,cats are still cats, cattle are still cattle, and darwins finches are still finches.

[aljolson]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
It can be observed creatures stay within distinct kind, their is no observable evidence for molecules to man evolution we observe variation in animals but these animals stay within distinct kinds ,cats are still cats, cattle are still cattle, and darwins finches are still finches.

Sorry for your lack of knowledge, it cannot be observed as it takes millions of years, modern science is only, debateably, 200 years old. The changes that make the eye a little brighter, the wing a little lighter, the legs a little longer, and your argument a little wronger, is evolution. Accept it, it is the real TRUTH.

[TheKingoftheJews]

(Original post by Rybee)
To the bible bashers, why did God bother creating all of them?

Cause he could man

[Maker]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
Natural selection

Genetic drfit
Genetic variation

How do you know that? Were you there when the bible was written and know thats is what they meant or did someone tell you and you are just repeating it?

[Maker]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
Not at all. Rapid speciation.

If it is rapid speciation, here must be new species of spiders coming into being every year and indeed many different organisms as well.

Actually, I just realised I am trying to use logic and facts when debating with a religious person, these are of course things a lot of religious people find incomprehensible and superfluous because they live in la la land.

[KingMessi]

(Original post by Polka Dot)
Not at all. Rapid speciation.

That must have been some fairly rapid speciation then...

[philistine]

(Original post by Arekkusu)
Well I think 50,000 species of spider proves conclusively that God is a complete dickhead.

And it only took ten posts to get there. Jolly good.