[la-penseur]

(Original post by I.LoveSyria.Aleppo)
Sorry I don't agree with you on that, put chocolate in front of a hungry toddler and tell the child not to eat it...

Works eh?

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-S5830

Sorry to butt in but there's a huge difference between eating some chocolate and sexually violating someone, which is a serious crime in case you don't remember.

[MostUncivilised]

(Original post by Alix23)
I'm guessing you're American.

I'd guessed that most people developed an understanding of the concept of analogy by age 14? But please, explain why you think I'm American.

I'm going to love this.

[hajinator]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
brother don't misunderstand me here, what i'am trying to put across is that all bad things for our health and society are prohibited in islam and in Christianity. e/g in the bible women are told to cover their hair and body Corinthians 11: 3to lure the eye of the man away but yet they do not follow and complain of rape which in common sense they caused it upon themselves.

Dude I'm a muslim, but I don't think women cause rape

[MostUncivilised]

(Original post by hajinator)
Dude I'm a muslim, but I don't think women cause rape

This is what is so frustrating to me about Islam. I have very close friendships with two very moderate Indonesian Muslims, and effectively they admit that where the "most pure" form of Islam is practised, women's rights always suffer.

Now, it is claimed that this is a vestigial cultural phenomenon, but there are two points I'd make. The first is that if the culprit is Arab culture, then Islam is inextricably linked to Arab language and culture (Quran tends not to be translated into the vulgate, like RCC Latin; the Arabs are given a special position of hereditary responsibility within Islam).

Instead, my Indonesian friends follow a vaguely Mu'atazalite philosophy, which is actually probably the most enlightened theism I've ever encountered. They are also far more comfortable with textual criticism, analysis and translation of the Quran.

The other point is that I know Christian Arabs who are clearly more orientated towards women's rights than their fellow Arab Muslims.

I wouldn't claim that rape of women is explicitly tolerated by Islam, but the system of Islamic jurisprudence does put the woman in an inherently weaker position (because of Hudood ordinances and the like, unless there were a few blokes stanidng aruond witnessing *she* may be punished for adultery).

Difficult issues; I know Muslims are not bad people, but as an emphatic atheist, I find Islam harder to reconcile with pluralism due to its literal bent.

[lonelykatana]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
I can't eat sausages, but we have halal sausages, so 'tis all good.

Completely unrelated to OP, but are halal sausages usually beef?
Im partial to a good beef sausage.

[AFineMess]

Right, I'm a christian, but I have several muslim friends too. They're pretty moderate, though they pray 5 times a day.
Not a single one of them would agree that a women would deserve to be raped. I think it's really just degrading, the fact that you're saying that muslim men have the restraint of a dog on heat.
And the thing is, religion is not neccessarily a bad thing when it's practiced properly, and not taken to extremes. Though i'm a christian there are certain aspects of Islam that I like, and certain aspects which i find purely ludicrous. I criticize my own religion sometimes too, but I think it's all about adapting a religion to suit you.

[Gawjuz.x]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
islam NOT a religion to those who reason but a way of life
here below is a short what not to do

don't/ reason/ is it proven

drink alcohol /harmful to the liver /yes
do anal sex/sufferadverse effects like rectal prolapse/yes

masturbation /drains engery level / yes

people misunderstand Islam and think it's all terroists and bombings every faith have lunatics just like Timothy McVeigh. All that Islam whats is the BEST for mankind.

Brother Don't you Realise that this post is only a question about whether or not you enjoy life as part of your religion (note: NOT ONLY ISLAM!). Not a way for you to start preaching and attract others to come and critisize Islam.

Although you are trying to help others understand the religion..it's actually not working because sooner or later this post will become WWIII on TSR against Islam.

Back to OP: Nope, loving life to the max!

[PrismaticCore]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
yes women want to get rapped if they can't find a mate

honest truth

Are you dense??!

Are you telling me that women want to inflict that upon themselves??!

Why aren't you saying 'No. It's the men's fault these women are raped because THEY ARE RAPING THE WOMEN.'?!

Are you telling me that girls who cover up NEVER get raped? Because you are awfully awfully wrong; many women who, sometimes, are even more covered up than your standard 'hijabi', end up raped. Is it still their fault? Did they WANT to be raped?!

[Chiko 1001]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
yes women want to get rapped if they can't find a mate

honest truth

You are wilfully misinterpreting a biblical passage here. It does not say "cover your body else you are fair game to a rapist". It says to cover your body because to do so is modest and will not lead other men to look at you lustfully, which would lead them to temptation. Not to rape, but to lust- which Christ expressly defined as sinful. Such incredible misrepresentation.

[lonelykatana]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
Corinthians 11: 3to lure the eye of the man away but yet they do not follow and complain of rape which in common sense they caused it upon themselves.

Leave, just leave now! How dare you suggest women deserve to be raped for not covering their skin.
Women shouldn't ever have to cover their entire skin if it is not their personal choice.
I am a man, I look at pretty women from time to time (I know right... Im a ****ing devil for doing it! How dare a woman lure the eye of a man! It's not as if its basic human attraction or anything.) but I have never thought of rape.
Only the criminal, possibly mentally sick contemplate rape - covering up a woman wouldn't stop them raping, not at all.

[Hypocrism]

(Original post by I.LoveSyria.Aleppo)
Yes, if you study about islam, you'll learn that the quran is a self authenticating holy book.

Thats how muslims regard it, they believe it's the word of God, it has never been alerted, so therefore whatever is in the quran is correct.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-S5830

A book cannot be self authenticating. It does not make sense, because a self-authentication requires a belief that it is true in the first place.

In any case-even if we believe it is true, there are no such self-authenticating parts. If you think there are, post them!

[ns18]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
yes women want to get rapped if they can't find a mate

honest truth

salam aleykum, i dont think its appropriate to say a woman wants to get raped but Allah knows best

to answer the question on this thread, and i'm answering from an islamic point of view, yes a few things are prohibited..like for example pork..but if you think about it there are another 10 types of meat or so...alcohol is prohibited but then again so many other types of drinks...and God doesnt prohibit something unless its for your own good...because God isnt in need of us so why would he prohibit something? i personally didnt like islam before because i had a lot of misconceptions and used to get annoyed that there were "too many restrictions" but then when i looked into each one i could see something good out of it...anyway hope this was helpful

[carl_senior]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
yes women want to get rapped if they can't find a mate

honest truth

What did I just read?

[ns18]

(Original post by .eXe)
View the architecture.

Will your religion of peace let me do that?

Better check with the imam eh? Or is there a verse on it in the perfect book?


Posted via TSR iPhone App

the place isnt meant to be a tourist attraction..there are already soo many muslims there and there's barely any space for them because it gets so packed...this place is extremely special for muslims..we go there to worship God and so thats the purpose of the place...its holy and not meant to be visited for any reason except for worship...but i dont understand why thats upsetting you...if you want to go to like america or whatever other country you need a visa right? and there are some conditions for you to get it...same in mecca you have to be muslim to be allowed in...if you want to see the architecture of islamic places go to mosques...there are loads of beautiful ones around the world and you're more than welcome to go into any of them

[EffieFlowers]

No.

[Manisha93]

(Original post by I.LoveSyria.Aleppo)
No, I think that guy meant, that a woman going out dressed immodestly, revealing a lot of her body is more likely to get raped than a woman whose completely covered up. Which is true, one looks more attractive than the other.
So here, I'm note going to generalise, but in some rapes the woman does play a role.

As statistics proved that most women get raped from previous parteners, friends, or other family members.


This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-S5830

Lol no, I know what he meant. And your just as bad trying to defend what he is saying! Haha you funny, rape is forced so if people enjoy it then surely it isn't against their will and therefore not rape? Rape is not deserved by anyone. Just because a woman chooses not to cover her hair/body, does not give any man the right to rape her! Rant over.

[ns18]

(Original post by Stacey-)
I'm not religious, I think it's crazy to follow something like that in life, you should just do what you want and all that. #yolo

as in you believe in a God or not? you cant say we should do what we want...lets take hitler as an example...he did what he wantss do you think "yolo" should be his excuse? or do you think what he did was fair? first you have to know a religion is correct and you look at the scripture to see that...not at the people from that religion because they might be not following it properly

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1.htm just take a look at this please

[RalphsDisciple]

(Original post by I.LoveSyria.Aleppo)
Sorry I don't agree with you on that, put chocolate in front of a hungry toddler and tell the child not to eat it...

Works eh?

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-S5830

I'm sorry, what?!
I can't believe people actually think this. So what are you saying, if I'm left in a situation where I'm in a room with someone I hate, they leave a gun on the table, and I shoot them, then it's their fault for giving me the means to do so, in the full knowledge that I hate them? That's absolutely ludicrous logic, I should have the self control and will power to realise that that's wrong.
Not only is your opinion highly insensitive and offensive to rape victims, but also a little offensive to men, as you appear to be suggesting that they're no more than animals that can't control their instincts. How do you explain child rape in this case? Or the rape of elderly people? Or the rape of a nurse on her way to work? Your logic is so flawed I'm not even sure where to begin with it.

[Med Student]

Completely disagree with the thread title.

Any form of enjoyment against the moral base of religion should not be practiced and should be considered illicit.

Give me an example of where a form of life enjoyment is going against religion and therefore religion is restricting enjoyment. religion prevents any activity having a negative impact on life and society.

Religion is Guidance to live our lives. It tells us what to avoid and what to enjoy and thus focuses human life to live lives of good. A common trend which i've identified is that any activity that goes against religion has a negative impact on human life. Smoking and Alcohol causes health problems. violent gaming negatively influences those who, like the young, are not morally disciplined enough to be responsible and controlled.

Saying that, religion never or cannot force anyone to not do certain modern day activities like playing games, drinking alcohol etc. because the law legalises those activities and both religion and law give people the base right of having the free will to accept religious law and reap the afterlife benefits or indulge in activities.

In response to the issue of violent gaming, religion should be taken as a preventative measure to prevent negative influences from gaming have a negative impact on the real world.

If anything, religion should be endorsed more in our society to endorse moral activities and simply prevent people in the real world from harming others and themselves. i feel no restriction but hapiness in there being a moral base to define right and wrong and keep society stable, safe and sane.

[Akbar2k7]

Sometimes yes but I have little willpower .