[Multitalented me]

(Original post by Med Student)
Completely disagree with the thread title.

Any form of enjoyment against the moral base of religion should not be practiced and should be considered illicit.

Give me an example of where a form of life enjoyment is going against religion and therefore religion is restricting enjoyment. religion prevents any activity having a negative impact on life and society.

Religion is Guidance to live our lives. It tells us what to avoid and what to enjoy and thus focuses human life to live lives of good. A common trend which i've identified is that any activity that goes against religion has a negative impact on human life. Smoking and Alcohol causes health problems. violent gaming negatively influences those who, like the young, are not morally disciplined enough to be responsible and controlled.

Saying that, religion never or cannot force anyone to not do certain modern day activities like playing games, drinking alcohol etc. because the law legalises those activities and both religion and law give people the base right of having the free will to accept religious law and reap the afterlife benefits or indulge in activities.

In response to the issue of violent gaming, religion should be taken as a preventative measure to prevent negative influences from gaming have a negative impact on the real world.

If anything, religion should be endorsed more in our society to endorse moral activities and simply prevent people in the real world from harming others and themselves. i feel no restriction but hapiness in there being a moral base to define right and wrong and keep society stable, safe and sane.

You don't need religion to be a good person though, I'd rather be friends with someone who does lots of charity work etc but doesn't pray than someone religious person who commits lots of sins as well as good deeds. Also lots of wars start as a result of friction between people who have different religious views which isn't exactly helpful to society. Anyway I think the answer to my question is yes but people don't mind because it's insignificant in comparision to the afterlife

[jmj]

(Original post by manchesterunited15)
You weren't born when Jesus died.

Do you mean I wasn't there when Jesus died? Yes obviously I wasn't there, but Hebrews 10 describes Jesus' death as 'once for all time' so it extends to past, present and future. Under the old covenant (the old deal God had with His people) the Israelites made lots of sacrifices. These sacrifices were a shadow pointing to the real sacrifice Jesus made on the cross once for all time. So even though I was born almost 2,000 years later, the cross is eternally powerful and effective for those who trust Him as their Saviour who takes the whole punishment for their rebellion against God on their behalf.

(Original post by manchesterunited15)
Also that makes literally no sense.

Sorry if that makes no sense, allow me to clarify. The way the New Testament talks about sin (rebellion against God) is often talked about in terms of slavery- we are all enslaved to sin and Jesus' death transfers us to be slaves of Christ- that is, Jesus' death is our ransom and He buys us back out of slavery so now all Christians are owned by God to live for Him. That's what I meant by Jesus liberating us from slavery- Jesus sets His people free from slavery to sin by buying us back through His death on the cross on our behalf.

[Med Student]

(Original post by Multitalented me)
You don't need religion to be a good person though, I'd rather be friends with someone who does lots of charity work etc but doesn't pray than someone religious person who commits lots of sins as well as good deeds. Also lots of wars start as a result of friction between people who have different religious views which isn't exactly helpful to society. Anyway I think the answer to my question is yes but people don't mind because it's insignificant in comparision to the afterlife

That's a fair point.

I feel that the world really needs some more peace-endorsing religion. With so many atrocities across the news, returning to God may be the ultimate solution and the only key to utopia.

We are now in a time and age where religions are capable of co-existence, with racism being frowned upon and so-called 'religious wars' merely another chapter in human history.

There is racism but religions, if they are to still be peace endorsing, will only be hypocrites to go against other religious views.

A quote from Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

Utterson: “I incline to Cain’s heresy,”... “I let my brother go to the devil in his own way.”

[mhawk]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
brother don't misunderstand me here, what i'am trying to put across is that all bad things for our health and society are prohibited in islam and in Christianity. e/g in the bible women are told to cover their hair and body Corinthians 11: 3to lure the eye of the man away but yet they do not follow and complain of rape which in common sense they caused it upon themselves.

Did this guy really say women who don't cover themselves up are asking to be raped? Are you joking?

I just. I can't. I don't know how to start with this one.

But just to illustrate how ridiculous your point is, when I lived in the Middle East, I was groped by men in public places while covered from head to toe. This even happened during Tawaf. Was that my fault then? What exactly was so provocative about a woman in black from head to toe?

I'm just going out on a limb here, but maybe we should blame the men actually committing the crime instead of the victim.

[mhawk]

(Original post by Med Student)
Completely disagree with the thread title.

Any form of enjoyment against the moral base of religion should not be practiced and should be considered illicit.

It depends on what religion you're referring to. There are some religions that prohibit listening to music, so that would definitely restrict enjoyment of life.
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[Iamyourfather]

What quantifies 'enjoying life'? Many religious people are very happy in their religion.

[da_nolo]

(Original post by Multitalented me)
For all the religious people out there does your religion stop you from enjoying your life more. For example any particular restrictions it might have or things that you have to practice that you don't really like but only comply because you have faith?

My religion only enhances my ability to enjoy life.
It helps me realize what is false and what is true; what is important and what is not important (in terms of happiness, importance, subjectivity, etc.).

[SnoochToTheBooch]

of course it does, it even bans jerking off FFS

[anonymouse01]

Nope. Hinduism doesn't.


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[da_nolo]

(Original post by Bukhatir)
brother don't misunderstand me here, what i'am trying to put across is that all bad things for our health and society are prohibited in islam and in Christianity. e/g in the bible women are told to cover their hair and body Corinthians 11: 3to lure the eye of the man away but yet they do not follow and complain of rape which in common sense they caused it upon themselves.

What are you talking about?

(Original post by 1 Corithians 11:3)
3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.

(Original post by 2 Corrithians 11:3)
3 But I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted and fall from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I agree that many things that are bad for your health have been sited as being 'prohibited'. however the act of an individual is never in direct cause of another.

[tazarooni89]

My religion restricts me from a lot of things - but I don't think those are the things which, in the long term, are going to help me enjoy life. Even if you were to conclusively prove to me that God doesn't exist, I wouldn't suddenly think "brilliant, I'm free to drink, smoke and do drugs as much as I like now" - because I think telling someone not to do those things is good advice, regardless.

[Jacob :)]

(Original post by Multitalented me)
For all the religious people out there does your religion stop you from enjoying your life more. For example any particular restrictions it might have or things that you have to practice that you don't really like but only comply because you have faith?

This will probably be negged to hell but to give it bluntly:

Anyone with a religion is at least partially if not majorly restricted in the ability to acquire knowledge by the dogma of their particular church.

Of course religious people are masters of double-think.

[Med Student]

(Original post by mhawk)
It depends on what religion you're referring to. There are some religions that prohibit listening to music, so that would definitely restrict enjoyment of life.
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Never heard of any religion that bans music.

Of course there needs to be a justified reason stating the offense in that activity to warrant its avoidance.

[Med Student]

(Original post by Jacob :))
This will probably be negged to hell but to give it bluntly:

Anyone with a religion is at least partially if not majorly restricted in the ability to acquire knowledge by the dogma of their particular church.

Of course religious people are masters of double-think.

example?

[Jacob :)]

(Original post by Med Student)
example?

This is from a few months back but sure.

Most people following a religion where god/gods directly create man will be reluctant to learn about evolution.

Most people following a religion with holy books detailing 'historic' events will be reluctant to learn they may not be as described or even completely wrong.

Most people following a religion that teaches certain prejudices will be reluctant to fight against those prejudices.

Most religious people whose religion has a strict moral code is unlikely to learn about morality outside their chirches teachings and develop their own moral perspective.

I'm sure there are many more depending on what you want to define as knowledge. These are just specific examples. I'm sure not all religious people are effected by each example but I doubt I'll ever meet a religious person completely unaffected.

[Sammi_K?]

(Original post by Multitalented me)
For all the religious people out there does your religion stop you from enjoying your life more. For example any particular restrictions it might have or things that you have to practice that you don't really like but only comply because you have faith?

Because of my old religion I wasn't allowed to:

- Date **
- Talk to boys / be friends with boys **
- Wear the clothes I want to [ shorts, dresses, tank tops, etc] **
- Draw Faces
- Dance
- Listen to Music / Watch movies
- Have pre-marital Sex **
- Show my hair
- Speak up for my rights
- Live equal to men ** - I was always told men and women are "made differently" and each has a different purpose, and even if god made women 2nd to man God knew what he was doing because he knows the best for everyone.
- Go outside with my friends ** - Girls can't go outside anywhere without a man. My parents didn't let me go because they weren't comfortable with it, but now they do.
- Make my eyebrows
- Get a tattoo **
- I wasn't allowed to eat for 18 hours a day for a certain month. ** - although this month is like Christmas for Muslims, it brings the family together.
- Marry for love **

** - are the restrictions I was made to follow.

I can do everything now, since I'm not a Muslim.

[miser]

Old thread but discussion seems to have been revived so I'll add my thoughts. My answer is not particularly. When I was a Christian I was taught that 'doubt and unbelief' is a sin, so I was restricted from being critical of some things relating to my faith, which I suppose affected enjoyment marginally. Apart from that, it was hinted at that masturbation might have been a sin, but I found loopholes so my enjoyment there remained unaffected. I was taught not to have sex before marriage, but it's not like I was getting any anyway at that age.

What I would say affected my enjoyment of life was the feeling that I was under supervision. There was often a doubt in my mind and a guilt about doing things that I believed God would not approve of. I could genuinely feel his critical eye, even after I de-converted. As well as this it made me intensely uncomfortable to think about Hell and all the people that had been sent there to undergo their torture.

Being a Christian was enjoyable in some respects however - I felt like I knew the truths about the universe in a way that my friends didn't. I felt loved, and I saw compassion in the universe (and in places where I now do not). I felt comfortable because I knew that God was looking out for me.

All in all I did like being a Christian; I de-converted wholly by accident.

[LeonVII]

It did when I was a Catholic. I abandoned it though so

[AvocatDuDiable]

I'm not religious and I have a pretty good life. No complaints.

I can see why people might be religious but surely it's a detriment in many respects, what with all the ridiculous rules which come with it. Although those rules are often completely arbitrary.

[Lonewolf13]

i have no faith so i'm free to what I feel like, (sits and waits for pointless 'you have no morals' point) i generally just sit around read books, play games and do my best not to be a dick to people unless i'm in a bad mood