[summer_blazed]

I was brought up a Christian, and I feel that moving away from the beliefs laid down by my parents was a step towards doing what I wanted to do in life, and being who I wanted to be. I'm an atheist, and the transition from me being a Christian to becoming an atheist was very casual and never caused any trouble for my family.

I was just wondering if anybody has had similar experiences in other religions?

[fortransexual]

yeah it normally just takes pressing a button actually

[.eXe]

Not unless they have a death wish

Whoever negs this should read post 7. I've given proof so stfu muslim neg brigade


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[fortransexual]

(Original post by .eXe)
Not unless they have a death wish


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prepare for the incoming negs

[Reform]

Not really. Muslims in comparison to those of another religion are more firm in their faith. We also understand that faith fluctuates and thus a Muslim wouldn't just leave Islam because they're feeling down or because something has happened to someone they love.

[sara.xx]

nope

[.eXe]

(Original post by sara.xx)
nope

(Original post by Reform)
Not really. Muslims in comparison to those of another religion are more firm in their faith. We also understand that faith fluctuates and thus a Muslim wouldn't just leave Islam because they're feeling down or because something has happened to someone they love.

Bull****.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Renegade means: A person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. (Source:http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=c...efine+renegade)

So yeah, you are contradicting your own holy book.

[.eXe]

(Original post by fortransexual)
prepare for the incoming negs

Yeah, expected. I hope they read post 7 though lo. The proof is very blatant. There is no "misinterpretation" It's right there in the Quran.

[sara.xx]

(Original post by Reform)
Not really. Muslims in comparison to those of another religion are more firm in their faith. We also understand that faith fluctuates and thus a Muslim wouldn't just leave Islam because they're feeling down or because something has happened to someone they love.

i totally agree Alhamdulillah for being Musim :') x

[Naarim]

(Original post by Reform)
Not really. Muslims in comparison to those of another religion are more firm in their faith. We also understand that faith fluctuates and thus a Muslim wouldn't just leave Islam because they're feeling down or because something has happened to someone they love.

What sort of wishy washy answer is that?

I'd say it's becoming more common in the UK, My grandparents are more religious than my parents, and my generation isn't as religious as my parents.

It's definitely more cultural than religious.

[Dream.On]

If "young" muslims do commonly leave islam it could be because of their difficulty to prioritise their religion over their social lives...


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[fortransexual]

(Original post by .eXe)
Yeah, expected. I hope they read post 7 though lo. The proof is very blatant. There is no "misinterpretation" It's right there in the Quran.

yeah that was a pretty valid point, but it's criticism so it's just going to get negged. Mine was a joke about islam so I expect that will get negged hard too lol.

Anything bad out of islam is a mis representation - even the instruction manual ;s

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
Bull****.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Renegade means: A person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. (Source:http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=c...efine+renegade)

So yeah, you are contradicting your own holy book.

What exactly are you on about? I said Muslims tend to be more firm on their faith. How exactly is this contradicting anything? Also, I read the ayah and I agree with it, in context of course.

If you want to catch me disagree with anything with the Quran and Sunnah then it's never going to happen.

I can show you different tafsirs for the verse although right now, this pretty much sums you up :

'And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.' (2:171)

May Allah guide you to the straight path.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
What exactly are you on about? I said Muslims tend to be more firm on their faith. How exactly is this contradicting anything? Also, I read the ayah and I agree with it, in context of course.

If you want to catch me disagree with anything with the Quran and Sunnah then it's never going to happen.

I can show you different tafsirs for the verse although right now, this pretty much sums you up :

'And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand.' (2:171)

May Allah guide you to the straight path.

So do you agree with post 7 or would you say I have something wrong?

Do you not agree that Islam (the Quran itself) justifies that apostates should be killed.

Do you agree with that post?

If not, tell me specifically what I have wrong. And don't give me other verses I frankly don't give a ****. Just tell me why my interpretation of the specific verse I posted is wrong. Thanks.

[Reform]

(Original post by Naarim)
What sort of wishy washy answer is that?

I'd say it's becoming more common in the UK, My grandparents are more religious than my parents, and my generation isn't as religious as my parents.

It's definitely more cultural than religious.

I'm seeing the exact opposite.

On the whole though, it isn't common. Young Muslims may sin alot but when they grow older they turn back to Islam.

Some are firm from day one.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by .eXe)
Bull****.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Renegade means: A person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. (Source:http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=c...efine+renegade)

So yeah, you are contradicting your own holy book.

"Betrays" was referring to the hypcrites who helped the Quaraish tribe who persecuted the Prophet and killed his followers and exiled them from their home while appearing to be Muslim. They also did false things while calling themself Muslims to try and disgrace Islam. Quite a lot like a certain "ExMuslim" poster today...

It's easy to paint a picture of whatever you want if you take it out of context. This is a "Makkani" verse revealed in the middle of the hypocrisy, backstabbing and lying used by Quraishi tribal elites to try and force Muhammad (pbuh) to give up his religion upon pain of death.

[killa78]

(Original post by .eXe)
Bull****.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Renegade means: A person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. (Source:http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=c...efine+renegade)

So yeah, you are contradicting your own holy book.

How much did you research that quotation?

Determines whether I should waste my time with you considering I've already told you the answer to this.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
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You know how you muslims are always going on about non-muslims taking stuff out of context?

Okay let's consider two scenarios..

1) Scenario mentioned above where a verse is advocating for the murder of renegades

and

2) Scenario of mohammad's wives covering their bodies and dressing modestly

So why is it that in the first scenario, you muslims say that the comments in the Quran are context specific, and not generalizable?

But (here's the kicker), in the second scenario, the comments apparently aren't context specific anymore. Mo's wives covered their heads and now apparently all muslim women are supposed to do it.

But wait a second!! What happened to context??

Maybe those verses were only referring to that time period and were to be taken in a specific context!

But nooo, there is an obvious double standard eh?

When it comes to the seemingly good verses...they aren't context dependent.

But apparently, all the bad verses about killing and murder and magically context dependent huh?

I look forward to your nonsense response

[Naarim]

(Original post by Reform)
I'm seeing the exact opposite.

On the whole though, it isn't common. Young Muslims may sin alot but when they grow older they turn back to Islam.

Some are firm from day one.

And some have never ever believed in it from day one and get a load of **** for wanting to get away from it.

[tania<3]

Me and my bf were raised as muslims but neither of us believe in the religion or anything... My parents know I don't think of myself as a Muslim either. Don't see anyone trying to kill me so stop taking words out of the Quran literally...