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(Original post by killa78)
How much did you research that quotation?

Determines whether I should waste my time with you considering I've already told you the answer to this.

(Original post by Spaz Man)
"Betrays" was referring to the hypcrites who helped the Quaraish tribe who persecuted the Prophet and killed his followers and exiled them from their home while appearing to be Muslim. They also did false things while calling themself Muslims to try and disgrace Islam. Quite a lot like a certain "ExMuslim" poster today...

It's easy to paint a picture of whatever you want if you take it out of context. This is a "Makkani" verse revealed in the middle of the hypocrisy, backstabbing and lying used by Quraishi tribal elites to try and force Muhammad (pbuh) to give up his religion upon pain of death.

.exe really doesn't have a clue. May Allah guide him and rectify his affairs.

(Original post by .eXe)
So do you agree with post 7 or would you say I have something wrong?

Do you not agree that Islam (the Quran itself) justifies that apostates should be killed.

Do you agree with that post?

If not, tell me specifically what I have wrong. And don't give me other verses I frankly don't give a ****. Just tell me why my interpretation of the specific verse I posted is wrong. Thanks.

Let's begin with the verse before and let's read the verse after.

What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance]. (4:88)

They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper. (4:89)

Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them. (4:90)

Surely if you pick an ayah, you'll have to read the one before and after.

If you want a tafsir for knowledge, read this.

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...=621&Itemid=59

I don't have the time to sum it up. If you just want to attempt to discredit Islam, it'll never happen.

[imasupercoolgeek]

I used to be a Muslim but turned to Jesus. Not afraid. I will serve my God... Nothing can stop me.


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[BillyBongos]

What happens to people who leave islam (apostacy)?

Islam doesn't sound like a religion with a loving god - if you leave, you get executed! where is the free will? Its much better to be a christian

who would honestly be a muslim under those rules. sounds a little radical and nutty to me! Jesus loves you no matter if you leave or come back into the fold.

[killa78]

And OP, I like the lifestyle as a Muslim, so refraining from drink, drugs and relationships. The fact that reason the quraan is one of the most tranquil acts you can do

Ramadan is actually brilliant as well!

And after researching other religions, I didn't really find anything too appealing.

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(Original post by Naarim)
And some have never ever believed in it from day one and get a load of **** for wanting to get away from it.

So why exactly are you replying to the thread?

If you haven't ever believed, how can you be considered a Muslim?

Your argument is thus void.

Adios.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
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Go read post 18. Unfortunately for you, I do have a clue what Islam is.

[navarre]

Well, the Muslims I know are Muslim by name rather than nature, including my own girlfriend. It's more a cultural thing, which is fine. It's perfectly OK to take pride in your own culture without believing the nonsense that goes with it.

I'm not sure if cultural Muslims outnumber practising Muslims in the UK yet (unlike Christians), but I'd bet my hat that they will do in the next 30 years or so. Secularism has shown itself to be a force more powerful than superstitious beliefs and all the crazy, unnatural and pointless rules that go with it.

[.eXe]

(Original post by killa78)
And OP, I like the lifestyle as a Muslim, so refraining from drink, drugs and relationships. The fact that reason the quraan is one of the most tranquil acts you can do

Ramadan is actually brilliant as well!

And after researching other religions, I didn't really find anything too appealing.

You don't need to be a muslim to refrain from drink, drugs and relationships.

[Iron Man]

(Original post by Dream.On)
If "young" muslims do commonly leave islam it could be because of their difficulty to prioritise their religion over their social lives...

That's not true. I'm 15 and I left Islam last Christmas and my reasoning for it had nothing to do with my social life. It's a bit naive to assume it must be because their social lives.

And as for the OP I don't think it's very common for young Muslims to leave Islam (and for rep reasons I'm not going to say why, I will probably get spammed with negs).

[imasupercoolgeek]

(Original post by maxthepax)
is it just me or does anyone else think its absolutely stupid, illogical, and absurd basing your life on a book that was written thousands of years ago, religion was made as a way of explaining the unknowns of the world such as earthquakes etc. It is an outdated theory (everyone knows it is just a theory as there is obviously no proof..) and people should stop wasting there lives following the orders of a stupid book. There is so much more to life than mourning the deaths of fictional characters and spending night and day studying a story book. just enjoy life!

Ok. Live your life but your life will end and you will live for eternity whether you believe it or not. I am completely satisfied in serving Jesus. Without Him, my life is a wasted life.

I may not be the happiest, I may not have the best grades, I may not have a nice girlfriend but I have Jesus.


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[killa78]

(Original post by imasupercoolgeek)
I used to be a Muslim but turned to Jesus. Not afraid. I will serve my God... Nothing can stop me.


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Lol. Do you know Muslims believe in Jesus (pbuh) ahah

I hope this isn't serious

[tania<3]

(Original post by .eXe)
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You want to be a doctor, you do realise that you won't be able to discriminate against patients based on religion... Having an opinion on a religion is fair enough, I'm not a fan of it myself, but your comments on TSR go way past that. Your attitude worries me

[Naarim]

(Original post by Reform)
So why exactly are you replying to the thread?

If you haven't ever believed, how can you be considered a Muslim?

Your argument is thus void.

Adios.

I think my comments have meaning in this thread because I was brought up to be a muslim, and am seen as a muslim by most of my family. My family are all muslims and I think the younger ones aren't as religious as the older ones in my family.

So, tell me again how my argument is void.

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(Original post by .eXe)
Go read post 18. Unfortunately for you, I do have a clue what Islam is.

If you exit the anti Islamic site you're on, I'll reply with an answer.

For now, reflect on what I have written above because you're only going to reply with another irrelevant question.

Your hatred is clear. Interestingly enough, the people of Quraish felt the same way.

[.eXe]

(Original post by tania<3)
You want to be a doctor, you do realise that you won't be able to discriminate against patients based on religion... Having an opinion on a religion is fair enough, I'm not a fan of it myself, but your comments on TSR go way past that. Your attitude worries me

I assure you I will not discriminate against my patients based on their religion.

It's quite shameful of you to even suggest something like that.

What a horrible ad hominem attack.

[killa78]

(Original post by .eXe)
You don't need to be a muslim to refrain from drink, drugs and relationships.

But it helps.

If I wasn't Muslim I probably would do all of those without thinking about repurcussions

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(Original post by Naarim)
I think my comments have meaning in this thread because I was brought up to be a muslim, and am seen as a muslim by most of my family. My family are all muslims and I think the younger ones aren't as religious as the older ones in my family.

So, tell me again how my argument is void.

I misjudged your tone. Even so, you keep referring to your family as though they're the only Muslims that exist.

Also, you're either Muslim or you're not.

My family are also all Muslims and I think the older ones aren't as religious as the younger ones in my family.

See what I did?

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
If you exit the anti Islamic site you're on, I'll reply with an answer.

For now, reflect on what I have written above because you're only going to reply with another irrelevant question.

Your hatred is clear. Interestingly enough, the people of Quraish felt the same way.

Listen kid, stop dodging the question and assuming I'm on some Islamic site. Why don't you get off your pro-Islamic site and argue like a man instead of pretending to be politically correct and hiding the fact that your religion blatantly advocates murder.

I await your response to post 18.

And PS, you haven't raised any valid points against me. All you say is that I am misunderstood and that Allah will guide me. What the hell am I supposed to reply on that? That's not an argument

[Dreamweaver]

(Original post by .eXe)
Want me to totally destroy your argument?

K here goes.

You know how you muslims are always going on about non-muslims taking stuff out of context?

Okay let's consider two scenarios..

1) Scenario mentioned above where a verse is advocating for the murder of renegades

and

2) Scenario of mohammad's wives covering their bodies and dressing modestly

So why is it that in the first scenario, you muslims say that the comments in the Quran are context specific, and not generalizable?

But (here's the kicker), in the second scenario, the comments apparently aren't context specific anymore. Mo's wives covered their heads and now apparently all muslim women are supposed to do it.

But wait a second!! What happened to context??

Maybe those verses were only referring to that time period and were to be taken in a specific context!

But nooo, there is an obvious double standard eh?

When it comes to the seemingly good verses...they aren't context dependent.

But apparently, all the bad verses about killing and murder and magically context dependent huh?

I look forward to your nonsense response

Actually all Muslim women are told to cover up:

Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes (and not stare at the women), and to maintain their chastity. This is purer for them. God is fully Cognizant of everything they do.
And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.* (24:30-31)

[Varsh05]

(Original post by .eXe)
Bull****.

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Renegade means: A person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. (Source:http://www.google.ca/search?sugexp=c...efine+renegade)

So yeah, you are contradicting your own holy book.

I agree.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS,whether something happens to someone close to them or any other horrible stuff,they will never leave Islam as they believe that's the only religion that makes sense to them whilst other religions are total bull****!
And if I'm not wrong,if a young muslim even thinks about converting,their parents will take action without even thinking bout anything!
From my experience,I think that most young Muslims believe strongly in their religion.
It's only a minority that don't and go against certain rules of Islam.

No offence intended and I'm not discriminating or anything as I personally have nothing against Muslims and I have loads of Muslim friends,but that's part of the whole truth about Islam.