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  1. aljolson's Avatar
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    Death penalty?
    I am asking this purely on theological terms. Is there any justification for execution?
    I personally do not believe in execution.Before the abolition of it in Britain, most abolitionists were Christians, also most proponents of it were christians, Who? are right.
  2. Wild Horses's Avatar
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    Re: Death penalty?
    i don't think that anyone has or should own the right to kill anybody. why can't everybody love everybody? lets just all get along ~world peace!

    I think i touched a couple nerves. - ref the negs
    Last edited by Wild Horses; 17-06-2012 at 02:14.
  3. Andy_J's Avatar
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    Personally I don't see why we should waste our precious food keeping certain people alive. People like Anders Brevik (I know its not the UK) clearly are a danger to society. So yes I think there is justification for it, but only in the most extreme cases where there is no doubt whatsoever, miscarriages of justice are far rarer nowadays thanks to DNA anyway.
  4. _music<3's Avatar
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    Re: Death penalty?
    Thou shall not kill? I think that says enough really.
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    Re: Death penalty?
    (Original post by aljolson)
    I am asking this purely on theological terms. Is there any justification for execution?
    I personally do not believe in execution.Before the abolition of it in Britain, most abolitionists were Christians, also most proponents of it were christians, Who? are right.
    Not quite sure of the relevance. Most people were christian back then.
  6. aljolson's Avatar
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    (Original post by illusionz)
    Not quite sure of the relevance. Most people were christian back then.
    believe me I was born in 1950, the death penalty was not abolished until 1964(experimentally), and the proletariat were definitely not practiced christians then.
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    (Original post by _music<3)
    Thou shall not kill? I think that says enough really.
    Every man's death diminishes me. John Donne, Probably my favourite quote.
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    (Original post by aljolson)
    Every man's death diminishes me. John Donne, Probably my favourite quote.
    Ahh John Donne...how I miss English lessons
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    (Original post by _music<3)
    Ahh John Donne...how I miss English lessons
    It's never too late to revisit the haunts of past dreams.
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    It's never too late to revisit the haunts of past dreams.
    That's a nice way of putting it, and I will be in September :nutcase:
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    Re: Death penalty?
    (Original post by _music<3)
    Thou shall not kill? I think that says enough really.
    An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth!

    Stop bringing stupid, irrational and contradictory religion into these matters!

    Have a rational argument for God's sake! <--pun intended
    Last edited by SpiggyTopes; 17-06-2012 at 01:11.
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    I'm for the death penalty in cases of extreme crime where the evidence against the defendant is indisputable. If someone denies life to others they should have their right to life denied.
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    Re: Death penalty?
    From a theological basis in Christianity you can look at it from two ways. Either you can accept the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' and form opinions similar to Jesus', which are essentially those of pacifism, or you can cite God's continual commandments to kill others, including for various 'crimes' such as working on the sabbath or wearing a vestment of two cloths, and you can form the (well supported) argument that the 'Though shalt not kill' only applies to your immediate social context in the absence of just cause (i.e. when you don't have a death sentence to hand out).

    Or you can decide to live your life independently of what an old book says, you'll never get a straight answer out of it anyway.
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    Re: Death penalty?
    (Original post by SpiggyTopes)
    An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth!

    Stop bringing stupid, irrational and contradictory religion into these matters!

    Have a rational argument for God's sake! <--pun intended
    Thank you, for insulting me, but I'd like to point out that the OP actually stated,

    I am asking this purely on theological terms.
    so it really is as relevant as it gets.
    Last edited by _music<3; 17-06-2012 at 01:20.
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    (Original post by miser)
    From a theological basis in Christianity you can look at it from two ways. Either you can accept the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' and form opinions similar to Jesus', which are essentially those of pacifism, or you can cite God's continual commandments to kill others, including for various 'crimes' such as working on the sabbath or wearing a vestment of two cloths, and you can form the (well supported) argument that the 'Though shalt not kill' only applies to your immediate social context in the absence of just cause (i.e. when you don't have a death sentence to hand out).

    Or you can decide to live your life independently of what an old book says, you'll never get a straight answer out of it anyway.
    Sense!!!!
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    (Original post by _music<3)
    Thank you, for insulting me, but I'd like to point out that the OP actually stated,
    so it really is as relevant as it gets.
    Didn't see that hahaha
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    Re: Death penalty?
    (Original post by Dont Tread On Me)
    I'm for the death penalty in cases of extreme crime where the evidence against the defendant is indisputable. If someone denies life to others they should have their right to life denied.
    So what you are essentially saying is that all found guilty of "extreme crime" should be executed. For we cannot have justice system that distinguishes between indisputable and disputable evidence, yet convicts for both. All evidence must be indisputable otherwise the defendant should go free.
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    Re: Death penalty?
    in Islam one is told if one kills ur kin leave him to God. for example lets take the likes of Adolf Hitler who killed 6millions+ jews if we were to punish him for that how many times can we do it?huh yes only ones right? but if u leaft him to Allah then how many times can Thee Who created his very soul take revenge...
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    Re: Death penalty?
    Yes. But it should have very strict standards of eye-witnesses, proper evidence or otherwise be voluntary. The criminal should choose between a life sentence or the death penalty if it is on offer (if his crime was severe enough).
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    Re: Death penalty?
    (Original post by _music<3)
    Thou shall not kill? I think that says enough really.
    id put more trust in that statement if the chap who gave it didnt send his own son to die, wipe out the world in a giant flood, do his best to kill the egyptians, wipe out soddom and gommora etc. etc. etc. this god has a lot of double standards tbh...
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