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In terms of prestige, which of these unis are best for a Masters?

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Reply 20
Original post by math1234
What you gonna do at kpmg with msc in politics? :O including lse's msc


Well, they don't specify any degree subjects, but I want to go into consultancy. It won't be a masters in just Politics - something like Political Economy or Political Theory and Economics etc. etc.
Original post by lil sister
I definitely did not mean that!

I meant to get a higher paid job, not to get extra money lol.


It's the same thing, the degree won't make any difference, they are all the same as far as salary goes. The salary increases are dependent on your skill in the job, not the university named on your degree certificate.
Reply 22
Usually.

TBD

Original post by threeportdrift
It's the same thing, the degree won't make any difference, they are all the same as far as salary goes. The salary increases are dependent on your skill in the job, not the university named on your degree certificate.
Reply 23
Original post by threeportdrift
It's the same thing, the degree won't make any difference, they are all the same as far as salary goes. The salary increases are dependent on your skill in the job, not the university named on your degree certificate.


:confused:

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all.

You need to get the job before you can get the salary - I'm not talking about a pay rise! It's pretty simple - which course/university would be best for getting a good job. In other words, which course/uni is most respected/prestigious.
Original post by lil sister
:confused:

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all.

You need to get the job before you can get the salary - I'm not talking about a pay rise! It's pretty simple - which course/university would be best for getting a good job. In other words, which course/uni is most respected/prestigious.



No, you aren't understanding. Employers (of which I am one) do not differentiate between degree X at University A and degree Y at University B, within the group of degrees and subjects you have offered. At the filter between application and interview, your degree and subject will have some influence on your likelihood of getting to interview, but again, depending on what the rest of the CV shows in terms of skills and experience, and of the the options you have suggested could be equal or better than each other.

Once at interview, employers do not go back to the CV to make decisions, ie they don't say Candidates P and Q were very similar at interview, but P did his Masters at university A and Q did hers at university B, so let's pick B. It is a much more holistic decision than that and it is far more based on soft skills.

Then starting salaries are almost always fixed for graduates, and after your first job, your second job will depend largely on the skills you have demonstrated in your first job, not where your degree comes from.

Yes, there are certainly differences in degree based on university and subject. But the difference is one of numerate subject and top 10 uni, versus vocational subject at a uni ranked 50 or below. Maths or Economics at Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, UCL, ICL etc are sufficiently similar, that your soft skills far outweigh the specifics. This is especially the case in consulting where soft skills are absolutely vital, as well as the strong academic background. That's how/why the McKinseyite on here has a degree from Nottingham (iirc) - his degree was a strong, numerate one, but his soft skills were superb and outweighed the higher prestige of Economics at Cambridge or IR at LSE.
Reply 25
Original post by threeportdrift
No, you aren't understanding. Employers (of which I am one) do not differentiate between degree X at University A and degree Y at University B, within the group of degrees and subjects you have offered. At the filter between application and interview, your degree and subject will have some influence on your likelihood of getting to interview, but again, depending on what the rest of the CV shows in terms of skills and experience, and of the the options you have suggested could be equal or better than each other.


So the choices I have posted are too similar to compare. I understand.

Once at interview, employers do not go back to the CV to make decisions, ie they don't say Candidates P and Q were very similar at interview, but P did his Masters at university A and Q did hers at university B, so let's pick B. It is a much more holistic decision than that and it is far more based on soft skills.


I know, I never said to the contrary. Students are first aiming for interviews, where uni/course is important.

Then starting salaries are almost always fixed for graduates, and after your first job, your second job will depend largely on the skills you have demonstrated in your first job, not where your degree comes from.


Again, I know!

Yes, there are certainly differences in degree based on university and subject. But the difference is one of numerate subject and top 10 uni, versus vocational subject at a uni ranked 50 or below. Maths or Economics at Oxbridge, LSE, Warwick, UCL, ICL etc are sufficiently similar, that your soft skills far outweigh the specifics. This is especially the case in consulting where soft skills are absolutely vital, as well as the strong academic background. That's how/why the McKinseyite on here has a degree from Nottingham (iirc) - his degree was a strong, numerate one, but his soft skills were superb and outweighed the higher prestige of Economics at Cambridge or IR at LSE.


In other words it doesn't matter too much which uni/course of the above I pick. Thank you for answering my question :smile:
Reply 26
Original post by threeportdrift
It's the same thing, the degree won't make any difference, they are all the same as far as salary goes. The salary increases are dependent on your skill in the job, not the university named on your degree certificate.


This is at least partially wrong. The name on your degree will open or close certain doors. It is next to impossible to get into, say, IB with a no name degree without connections. Once you are in, however, the degree no longer really matters and after a few years of experience it won't matter at all.
Original post by Ghost6
This is at least partially wrong. The name on your degree will open or close certain doors. It is next to impossible to get into, say, IB with a no name degree without connections. Once you are in, however, the degree no longer really matters and after a few years of experience it won't matter at all.


a) the OP specified Consulting as a career route
b) the OP specified a specific range of degree subjects and universities
c) the OP specified salary wrt to degree and university, not career opportunities
Reply 28
Original post by threeportdrift
a) the OP specified Consulting as a career route
b) the OP specified a specific range of degree subjects and universities
c) the OP specified salary wrt to degree and university, not career opportunities


So? My point was the degree could affect salary through career opportunities. The point remains, but arguably all of the universities, perhaps except UCL, are in the same league.
Reply 29
As you are being pedantic, yes they do. Almost all the posts on this forum are seeking information about relative rankings of universities.

TBD

Original post by threeportdrift
No, you aren't understanding. Employers..do not differentiate between degree X at University A and degree Y at University B, within the group of degrees and subjects you have offered. At the filter between application and interview, your degree and subject will have some influence on your likelihood of getting to interview, but again, depending on what the rest of the CV shows in terms of skills and experience, and of the the options you have suggested could be equal or better than each other.
Reply 30
...until you are next looking for a job which in the case of ambitious executive will be every 3-4 years. It remains part of the mix.

TBD


Original post by Ghost6
Once you are in, however, the degree no longer really matters and after a few years of experience it won't matter at all.
Original post by TBD
Almost all the posts on this forum are seeking information about relative rankings of universities.


Almost all the posts on this forum are from people who haven't worked in a professional environment and haven't had responsibility for hiring. The fact that people ask the question doesn't mean the question is valid.

Employers do not, by and large, including the likes of MBB, discriminate between Oxford, Cambridge, LES, ICL, UCL, Warwick etc because the soft skills of the applicants are always more important than any very slight differences in the aggregated 'quality' of the university or the degree. Most degrees allow people to choose modules; most employers don't ask for or see module details (they shouldn't be on a CV), they know no single degree is the same as any single other. A Warwick candidate cane easily out perform an Oxford candidate at interview and get the first offer.

Sure there is a hierarchy, but it is not a harsh step between university and course. There are collections of very similar universities and degrees, and of which employers will see as more or less the same at interview, and allow soft skills/test scores etc to even up the field.
Reply 32
I refer you my previous post. Employers do discriminate between universities. Whether or not they do so on the basis of segmentation is not the point.

The fact that people ask the questions about ranking and thousands pay top dollar to attend a tier-one business school means they consider it important and are putting their money where their mouth is.

Employers have their own prejudices which means the brand awareness may predominate in their comparison : even of clusters within rankings.

Choice of university and course does matter and to indicate that an employer will not be influenced by this as part of the mix when assessing candidates is simply misleading. The real question is how much of an influence does it have.

You are making lots of sweeping statement here: which doesn't enhance the credibility of your arguements in my eyes.

TBD


Original post by threeportdrift
Almost all the posts on this forum are from people who haven't worked in a professional environment and haven't had responsibility for hiring. The fact that people ask the question doesn't mean the question is valid.

Employers do not, by and large, including the likes of MBB, discriminate between Oxford, Cambridge, LES, ICL, UCL, Warwick etc because the soft skills of the applicants are always more important than any very slight differences in the aggregated 'quality' of the university or the degree. Most degrees allow people to choose modules; most employers don't ask for or see module details (they shouldn't be on a CV), they know no single degree is the same as any single other. A Warwick candidate cane easily out perform an Oxford candidate at interview and get the first offer.

Sure there is a hierarchy, but it is not a harsh step between university and course. There are collections of very similar universities and degrees, and of which employers will see as more or less the same at interview, and allow soft skills/test scores etc to even up the field.
Reply 33
What degree you have and where you got it from does matter for getting you an interview, but ultimately what will land you the job is the amount of professional experience you have, how you interview and what skills you can bring to the organisation. Following the interview, where you got your degree might matter but how much it matters varies from employer to employer and thus can't be measured, but experience is still paramount. Your level of pay will likewise depend far more on your experience/skills than where you graduated from. In my field, working for International Organisations, this is all certainly true.

All of the universities you applied for are great places, internationally respected and I don't see how you could be at a disadvantage when hunting for jobs or work experience.
Reply 34
I agree with what has been written regarding the fact that real experience and skills should dominate a candidate assessment. However it is worth exploring further the role of your university in your future. When faced with early/mid career graduates whose potential is still unproven, an employer will consider the facts/prejudices/bias that he has. Let's ignore the rankings or brand recognition and consider the scenario:

you are applying for a job post-MBA as a financial analyst for a large hedge fund, which operates as a client for a large international bank. This international bank has funded research-centres at the university you attended and much of its middle management have attended: either undertaking degrees or executive education. The other alumni may be decision-makers at the potential clients of the hedge fund.

The MBA you undertook is the only one in Europe to allow a specialism in Merger & Acquisition activity. This is a key focus of your potential employer.

The university attended is within the boundary of a European financial centre and hosts many conferences and events with key speakers in the industry including senior executives from potential clients.

A number of students are sponsored by both your potential employer at the university, some on the course you undertook.

Now try and tell me the university you attended does not matter...

TBD
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by lil sister
I know it's shallow, but remuneration is very important to me.


As it is to many people, albeit it seems taboo to say you are chasing money lol
Reply 36
Original post by TheCount.
As it is to many people, albeit it seems taboo to say you are chasing money lol

There are lots of threads on TSR about people making financially motivated choices, though, so it can't be that taboo.:erm:

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with having that as your main motivation, but when people insist on trying to sniff out the most minute of differences (i.e. whether there is a chance that doing Degree A will result in them earning £500 more per year than doing Degree B), it starts to get slightly ridiculous.
Reply 37
I actually work for one of the companies mentioned, have done for 3 years now and am currently researching how feasible it would be for me to quit and start an academic career... but I digress.

I can't speak for all of the Big 4 obviously but recruiting processes are pretty standard. I can say with confidence that where you get your degree does NOT matter at all, certainly not the difference between the universities you mentioned. All they look for is the minimum 2:1 cut-off to get you into the process, after that it's all on the interviews. If they were really torn between candidates for limited spots it would be taken into consideration I'm sure but you will be judged primarily on your interviews. Also I would like to ask why you're thinking of a Masters? For interest or for employment prospects? Because having a Masters will not matter for employment prospects, at least at the companies you mentioned, unless you really sell it to them.

I will also tell you for free that working for the Big 4 is pretty dull. Obviously this is dependent on the individual, some love it, but I would say the majority of people in my year are just waiting for their training to end so they can move on. It's good training, you'll meet good friends, a good qualification and good pay. But just be warned, it is boring.
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by hobnob
There are lots of threads on TSR about people making financially motivated choices, though, so it can't be that taboo.:erm:

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with having that as your main motivation, but when people insist on trying to sniff out the most minute of differences (i.e. whether there is a chance that doing Degree A will result in them earning £500 more per year than doing Degree B), it starts to get slightly ridiculous.


Has anyone ever chosen a degree simply because it is likely to result in being £500 better of per year:|?
Reply 39
Original post by TheCount.
Has anyone ever chosen a degree simply because it is likely to result in being £500 better of per year:|?

Some people give the impression that they would!

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